watching subtitled dvd on a widescreen tv BLOWS BIGTIME

[bruin70@mail.com]

this has become very frustrating! watching subtitles on my 16:9
CORRECTLY(with its proper aspect ratio) has become a nuisance when the
subtitles are placed OUTSIDE the film frame, in the black letterbox
area......because the subtitles end up off the tv screen. the only time
subtitles work is if the film was shot in VERY wide aspect ratio, like
2.xx:1. otherwise, i have to watch the dvd in 4:3(normal) view

i wish they'd start placing subtitles back inside the movie frame.

anyone know who i can email to address this ? is there a governing dvd
org that has some say?

[Steven Sullivan]

bruin70@mail.com wrote:
> this has become very frustrating! watching subtitles on my 16:9
> CORRECTLY(with its proper aspect ratio) has become a nuisance when the
> subtitles are placed OUTSIDE the film frame, in the black letterbox
> area......because the subtitles end up off the tv screen. the only time
> subtitles work is if the film was shot in VERY wide aspect ratio, like
> 2.xx:1. otherwise, i have to watch the dvd in 4:3(normal) view

> i wish they'd start placing subtitles back inside the movie frame.

> anyone know who i can email to address this ? is there a governing dvd
> org that has some say?

er..I've never seen this problem on my WTV. What DVDs in particular
are you referring to?


--

-S
It's not my business to do intelligent work. -- D. Rumsfeld, testifying
before the House Armed Services Committee

[bruin70@mail.com]

> er..I've never seen this problem on my WTV. What DVDs in particular
> are you referring to?

when i watch asian movie dvd's. they use the black area to place the
subtitles in, not the image area.

[Hyde]

Behold! Thus spake bruin70@mail.com:

|| er..I've never seen this problem on my WTV. What DVDs in particular
|| are you referring to?
|
| when i watch asian movie dvd's. they use the black area to place the
| subtitles in, not the image area.



Are they anamorphically-enhanced? Are they originals or bootlegs? Have
you set up your DVD player properly?

When viewed in 4:3, *ALL* my anamorphically-enhanced DVDs show the
subtitles in the black area (some "spillage" to the image area if it's a
1.85:1 movie).

But when viewed in 16:9, they automatically show up where they should:

- For 1.85:1 movies all subs show on the lower part of the image area
- For 2.35:1 either 1) half on the image, half on the lower black bar or
2) all on the lower part of the image.



| anyone know who i can email to address this ? is there a governing dvd
| org that has some say?
|

You could start by getting in touch with these two guys:

Bill Hunt, editor of the TheDigitalBits.com
Jim Taylor, author of the Official DVD FAQ

Maybe they can point you to the right organization.

You can find email addys for both of them here:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/officialfaq.html

Hope this helps.


--
Hyde
-
=====================================
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most".
~ Ozzy Osbourne ~

[bruin70@mail.com]

Hyde wrote:

> Are they anamorphically-enhanced? Are they originals or bootlegs?
Have
> you set up your DVD player properly?
>
hard to say, as they are all in another language on the box. i never
thought to "set up" my dvd player, ie if there are setting on the unit
itself. i do all my viewing adjustments on the my hdtv. i will check
theplayer.

> When viewed in 4:3, *ALL* my anamorphically-enhanced DVDs show the
> subtitles in the black area (some "spillage" to the image area if
it's a
> 1.85:1 movie).

all the subtitles are in the black area, no matter how i set the view.
therefore, on the movies with an aspect ratio close to 16:9, the
subtitles will be off screen, and i have to view them in "normal" mode.
which ends up using about half the tv screen. if i am fortunate, i get
a movie with subtitle IN the movie frame, so i can view it properly.

>
> But when viewed in 16:9, they automatically show up where they
should:
>
> - For 1.85:1 movies all subs show on the lower part of the image area
> - For 2.35:1 either 1) half on the image, half on the lower black bar
or
> 2) all on the lower part of the image.

at 2.35 there is no problem because the film is so long there's plenty
of room to show the subtitles in the black area

i have to ask this. you're not "stretching" the subtitled films are
you?
thanks for the other info. much appreciated
>
>
>
> | anyone know who i can email to address this ? is there a governing
dvd
> | org that has some say?
> |
>
> You could start by getting in touch with these two guys:
>
> Bill Hunt, editor of the TheDigitalBits.com
> Jim Taylor, author of the Official DVD FAQ
>
> Maybe they can point you to the right organization.
>
> You can find email addys for both of them here:
>
> http://www.thedigitalbits.com/officialfaq.html
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> --
> Hyde
> -
> =====================================
> "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most".
> ~ Ozzy Osbourne ~

[Italo]

<bruin70@mail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > When viewed in 4:3, *ALL* my anamorphically-enhanced DVDs show the
> > subtitles in the black area (some "spillage" to the image area if
> it's a
> > 1.85:1 movie).

All subtitles are in the image area of the DVD but on any widescreen TV
there are geometry settings for 4:3 and 16:9 and also for image overscan.
Adjusting the required geometry settings in your TVs service menu will solve
your problem or get a technician to perform the required adjustments.

--
Italo

[Lucas Tam]

bruin70@mail.com wrote in news:1109873706.259038.150960
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:

> when i watch asian movie dvd's. they use the black area to place the
> subtitles in, not the image area.

Unfortunately a lot of asian movies are not anamorphic... and ones that are
may have been unconverted when they were bootlegged.

--
Lucas Tam (REMOVEnntp@rogers.com)
Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/coolspot18/

[Hyde]

Behold! Thus spake bruin70@mail.com:

| Hyde wrote:
|
|| Are they anamorphically-enhanced? Are they originals or bootlegs?
|| Have you set up your DVD player properly?
||
| hard to say, as they are all in another language on the box. i never
| thought to "set up" my dvd player, ie if there are setting on the unit
| itself. i do all my viewing adjustments on the my hdtv. i will check
| theplayer.
|


Whenever you have a widescreen (16x9) display, you have to tell your
player that you have such.

Go to the settings menu and you should find an option to switch it from
4:3 to 16:9.



|| When viewed in 4:3, *ALL* my anamorphically-enhanced DVDs show the
|| subtitles in the black area (some "spillage" to the image area if
|| it's a
|| 1.85:1 movie).
|
| all the subtitles are in the black area, no matter how i set the view.
| therefore, on the movies with an aspect ratio close to 16:9, the
| subtitles will be off screen, and i have to view them in "normal"
| mode. which ends up using about half the tv screen. if i am
| fortunate, i get a movie with subtitle IN the movie frame, so i can
| view it properly.
|


Hmm...that sounds awfully like non-anamorphic DVD transfers, in which
case...you're pretty much screwed, my friend. :-/


||
|| But when viewed in 16:9, they automatically show up where they
|| should:
||
|| - For 1.85:1 movies all subs show on the lower part of the image area
|| - For 2.35:1 either 1) half on the image, half on the lower black
|| bar or 2) all on the lower part of the image.
|
| at 2.35 there is no problem because the film is so long there's plenty
| of room to show the subtitles in the black area
|
| i have to ask this. you're not "stretching" the subtitled films are
| you?



Nope. Neither my TV nor my player have any kind of zoom/stretch feature.



| thanks for the other info. much appreciated
|



Most welcome.



--
Hyde
-
=======================================
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most".
~ Ozzy Osbourne ~

[Steven Sullivan]

bruin70@mail.com wrote:

> > er..I've never seen this problem on my WTV. What DVDs in particular
> > are you referring to?

> when i watch asian movie dvd's. they use the black area to place the
> subtitles in, not the image area.

Hmm..I suspect the problem is in the 'authoring' of the disc, then.
Are these legit releases or bootlegs?


--

-S
It's not my business to do intelligent work. -- D. Rumsfeld, testifying
before the House Armed Services Committee

[bruin70@mail.com]

Steven Sullivan wrote:

>
> Hmm..I suspect the problem is in the 'authoring' of the disc, then.
> Are these legit releases or bootlegs?
>

i have both as i have purchased from both tower records and ebay. i am
now viewing "amelie", a dvd i bought from tower records. it is "2.35:1
enhanced for 16:9"

the proper viewing ratio is either normal(which views at 4:3 format) or
zoom. however zoom eliminates part of the subtitle if the subtitle is
two lines...and in order to view this i must use an setting on the hdtv
that allows me to actually raise the picture. this lets me see more of
the bottom.

in stretch zoom, i can see the whole thing but stretch zoom merely
stretches the movie flush with the left and right of the tv screen

it would be great if i could overlay the subtitles, but sony being
sony, well,,,,,,,,,,,

[Rich Clark]

<bruin70@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1109885341.143200.292650@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Steven Sullivan wrote:
>
>>
>> Hmm..I suspect the problem is in the 'authoring' of the disc, then.
>> Are these legit releases or bootlegs?
>>
>
> i have both as i have purchased from both tower records and ebay. i am
> now viewing "amelie", a dvd i bought from tower records. it is "2.35:1
> enhanced for 16:9"
>
> the proper viewing ratio is either normal(which views at 4:3 format) or
> zoom. however zoom eliminates part of the subtitle if the subtitle is
> two lines...and in order to view this i must use an setting on the hdtv
> that allows me to actually raise the picture. this lets me see more of
> the bottom.

If your DVD player is set to output to a widescreen TV, and...

Your TV is set for standard "normal" widescreen mode (whatever the setting
that simply displays the incoming image without zooming, stretching it,
cropping ot or anything else)...

Then a 2.35:1 anamorphic DVD should display with black bars at the top and
bottom of the picture, and the subtitles visible at the bottom of the
screen. Two-line titles might overlap the picture.

I suspect at least part of the problem you're having comes from goofing
around with the picture settings on your TV, in an attempt to eliminate the
black bars. In the case you describe, the black bars are necessary to avoid
cutting off the sides of the image or distorting the picture.

RichC

[Steven Sullivan]

bruin70@mail.com wrote:

> Steven Sullivan wrote:

> >
> > Hmm..I suspect the problem is in the 'authoring' of the disc, then.
> > Are these legit releases or bootlegs?
> >

> i have both as i have purchased from both tower records and ebay. i am
> now viewing "amelie", a dvd i bought from tower records. it is "2.35:1
> enhanced for 16:9"

> the proper viewing ratio is either normal(which views at 4:3 format) or
> zoom.
> however zoom eliminates part of the subtitle if the subtitle is
> two lines..

That's normal for 'zoom'.

> .and in order to view this i must use an setting on the hdtv
> that allows me to actually raise the picture. this lets me see more of
> the bottom.

> in stretch zoom, i can see the whole thing but stretch zoom merely
> stretches the movie flush with the left and right of the tv screen

Normal again for such modes.

> it would be great if i could overlay the subtitles, but sony being
> sony, well,,,,,,,,,,,

It's not a Sony problem. Nor in this case is a it a DVD problem.
It's that the DVD is *meant to be watched in 4:3* .



--

-S
It's not my business to do intelligent work. -- D. Rumsfeld, testifying
before the House Armed Services Committee

[Hyde]

Behold! Thus spake bruin70@mail.com:

| Steven Sullivan wrote:
|
||
|| Hmm..I suspect the problem is in the 'authoring' of the disc, then.
|| Are these legit releases or bootlegs?
||
|
| i have both as i have purchased from both tower records and ebay. i am
| now viewing "amelie", a dvd i bought from tower records. it is "2.35:1
| enhanced for 16:9"
|
| the proper viewing ratio is either normal(which views at 4:3 format)
| or zoom. however zoom eliminates part of the subtitle if the subtitle
| is two lines...and in order to view this i must use an setting on the
| hdtv that allows me to actually raise the picture. this lets me see
| more of the bottom.
|
| in stretch zoom, i can see the whole thing but stretch zoom merely
| stretches the movie flush with the left and right of the tv screen
|


Okay: stop messing with the TV controls; set the aspect ratio to Normal
(or Standard) and LEAVE IT THERE.

Set your DVD player to 16:9 and it shoudl fix the problem.

Also, you should know that all 2.35 movies *WILL* have the top/bottom
black bars.

Please read this *thouroughly*:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/index.html

Good luck.


--
Hyde
-
=======================================
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most".
~ Ozzy Osbourne ~

[Steven Sullivan]

Steven Sullivan <ssully@panix.com> wrote:
> bruin70@mail.com wrote:

> > Steven Sullivan wrote:

> > >
> > > Hmm..I suspect the problem is in the 'authoring' of the disc, then.
> > > Are these legit releases or bootlegs?
> > >

> > i have both as i have purchased from both tower records and ebay. i am
> > now viewing "amelie", a dvd i bought from tower records. it is "2.35:1
> > enhanced for 16:9"

> > the proper viewing ratio is either normal(which views at 4:3 format) or
> > zoom.
> > however zoom eliminates part of the subtitle if the subtitle is
> > two lines..

> That's normal for 'zoom'.

> > .and in order to view this i must use an setting on the hdtv
> > that allows me to actually raise the picture. this lets me see more of
> > the bottom.

> > in stretch zoom, i can see the whole thing but stretch zoom merely
> > stretches the movie flush with the left and right of the tv screen

> Normal again for such modes.

> > it would be great if i could overlay the subtitles, but sony being
> > sony, well,,,,,,,,,,,

> It's not a Sony problem. Nor in this case is a it a DVD problem.
> It's that the DVD is *meant to be watched in 4:3* .

To clarify here -- you claim that 'normal' is 4:3, but that the disc
is enhanced for 16:9. So I take it you're seeing a 'widescreen'
picture with black bars , in a '4:3' space. If so this is how the
DVD makers intend it to be watched.




--

-S
It's not my business to do intelligent work. -- D. Rumsfeld, testifying
before the House Armed Services Committee

[bruin70@mail.com]

Steven Sullivan wrote:
> Steven Sullivan <ssully@panix.com> wrote:
> > bruin70@mail.com wrote:
>
>
> To clarify here -- you claim that 'normal' is 4:3, but that the disc
> is enhanced for 16:9. So I take it you're seeing a 'widescreen'
> picture with black bars , in a '4:3' space. If so this is how the
> DVD makers intend it to be watched.


yes,,,that is exactly what i mean.
would you say then that many dvd makers are still gearing their product
for 4:3 tv's,,,,assuming that the greater population is still watching
4:3 tv sets?

[dg]

Exactly, I watched one called Suicide Club (asian film) that had subtitles
in the black portion. Bugged the hell out of me.

--Dan

<bruin70@mail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> er..I've never seen this problem on my WTV. What DVDs in particular
>> are you referring to?
>
> when i watch asian movie dvd's. they use the black area to place the
> subtitles in, not the image area.
>

[Karyudo]

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:14:59 GMT, "dg" <dan_gus@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Exactly, I watched one called Suicide Club (asian film) that had subtitles
>in the black portion. Bugged the hell out of me.

That film isn't Asian; it's Japanese. Unless it's a Chinese copy, it
will be authored correctly to display on 16:9 screens, which have been
available in Japan since about 1990. Also, Japanese 16:9 sets
generally have the provision to move the picture up, so the top black
bar is very small, and the lower one is large enough for the
subtitles, even on a 16:9 screen.

[David B.]

Karyudo wrote:

> That film isn't Asian; it's Japanese.

Thanks for clearing that up. You wouldn't believe what they're teaching
in Geography classes these days.

"."
\_/


David

[severian]

"Karyudo" <karyudo_usenet@yahoo.com.remove.me> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:14:59 GMT, "dg" <dan_gus@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Exactly, I watched one called Suicide Club (asian film) that had
subtitles
> >in the black portion. Bugged the hell out of me.
>
> That film isn't Asian; it's Japanese.

Is this a slip of the tongue or are you trying to give Steveo come
competition? ;-)

[bruin70@mail.com]

i don't try to eliminate the bars. i only try to see the full image in
its proper aspect ratio(no distortions).


Rich Clark wrote:

> I suspect at least part of the problem you're having comes from
goofing
> around with the picture settings on your TV, in an attempt to
eliminate the
> black bars. In the case you describe, the black bars are necessary to
avoid
> cutting off the sides of the image or distorting the picture.
>
> RichC

[Karyudo]

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 14:17:02 GMT, "severian" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>
>"Karyudo" <karyudo_usenet@yahoo.com.remove.me> wrote in message
>news:g0ni21lp67fvfram42fldcou2271a87n59@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:14:59 GMT, "dg" <dan_gus@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Exactly, I watched one called Suicide Club (asian film) that had
>subtitles
>> >in the black portion. Bugged the hell out of me.
>>
>> That film isn't Asian; it's Japanese.
>
>Is this a slip of the tongue or are you trying to give Steveo come
>competition? ;-)

No, I'm quite serious. Japan isn't just Asian, it's Japanese. It's
incredibly sloppy to label something Japanese (or Chinese, or Russian,
or Indian) "Asian". It's like using "American" to describe something
Peruvian. As far as DVD entertainment goes, this is especially true of
Japan: compare Japan to any other Asian country (including India, and
the largest country in Asia -- Russia), and it's a first-world country
with very little piracy and bootlegging. Japanese DVDs aren't cheap
rip-offs like most of the DVDs from the rest of Asia. From the OP's
post, it's not even clear that the subtitles he's talking about are
removable; it's possible they're burned in. I can tell you from
experience that that is extremely rare on Japanese DVDs. But it's not
so uncommon on other Asian DVDs -- including Chinese boots of Japanese
titles, like Suicide Club.

[David B.]

Karyudo wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 14:17:02 GMT, "severian" <nobody@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>"Karyudo" <karyudo_usenet@yahoo.com.remove.me> wrote in message
>>news:g0ni21lp67fvfram42fldcou2271a87n59@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:14:59 GMT, "dg" <dan_gus@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Exactly, I watched one called Suicide Club (asian film) that had
>>
>>subtitles
>>
>>>>in the black portion. Bugged the hell out of me.
>>>
>>>That film isn't Asian; it's Japanese.
>>
>>Is this a slip of the tongue or are you trying to give Steveo come
>>competition? ;-)
>
>
> No, I'm quite serious.

I knew what point you were making. You just turned semantics on it's
head in trying make your point.

> Japan isn't just Asian, it's Japanese.

That's not the same argument as:

>>>That film isn't Asian; it's Japanese.


> It's
> incredibly sloppy to label something Japanese (or Chinese, or Russian,
> or Indian) "Asian".

Not being specific is not synonymous with being sloppy.

> It's like using "American" to describe something
> Peruvian.

Peru is part of America. The sad part is that most "Americans" couldn't
tell you which continent Peru is on let alone point it out on a map.

We were just having some fun with your detaching Japan from the rest of
Asia. Your points are all well taken.

David

[severian]

Guess that's why Japan called their "empire" the Greater East Asia
CoProsperity Sphere in the 40's.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but your semantics are sloppy
and inaccurate. The main thing I see people from Asia complaining about
these days is being labeled Oriental, as they say they don't call
Westerner's Occidentals. The whole notion of where the "orient" or Asia
actually lies is a mystery to most people (but then so is most geography).
But Iraq/Kuwait etc. is Southwest Asia, though historically the term
"oriental" has been applied to Persia and India as much as to the Far East.

I think the phrase "Japanese not other Asian" is more precise, but you are
right that Japan is the quality king and is not a serious bootlegger of
copyrighted material.

"Karyudo" <karyudo_usenet@yahoo.com.remove.me> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 14:17:02 GMT, "severian" <nobody@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Karyudo" <karyudo_usenet@yahoo.com.remove.me> wrote in message
> >news:g0ni21lp67fvfram42fldcou2271a87n59@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:14:59 GMT, "dg" <dan_gus@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Exactly, I watched one called Suicide Club (asian film) that had
> >subtitles
> >> >in the black portion. Bugged the hell out of me.
> >>
> >> That film isn't Asian; it's Japanese.
> >
> >Is this a slip of the tongue or are you trying to give Steveo come
> >competition? ;-)
>
> No, I'm quite serious. Japan isn't just Asian, it's Japanese. It's
> incredibly sloppy to label something Japanese (or Chinese, or Russian,
> or Indian) "Asian". It's like using "American" to describe something
> Peruvian. As far as DVD entertainment goes, this is especially true of
> Japan: compare Japan to any other Asian country (including India, and
> the largest country in Asia -- Russia), and it's a first-world country
> with very little piracy and bootlegging. Japanese DVDs aren't cheap
> rip-offs like most of the DVDs from the rest of Asia. From the OP's
> post, it's not even clear that the subtitles he's talking about are
> removable; it's possible they're burned in. I can tell you from
> experience that that is extremely rare on Japanese DVDs. But it's not
> so uncommon on other Asian DVDs -- including Chinese boots of Japanese
> titles, like Suicide Club.
>

[severian]

"David B." <dsbalfoo@syr.edu> wrote in message
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> Karyudo wrote:
> > On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 14:17:02 GMT, "severian" <nobody@nowhere.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"Karyudo" <karyudo_usenet@yahoo.com.remove.me> wrote in message
> >>news:g0ni21lp67fvfram42fldcou2271a87n59@4ax.com...
> >>
> >>>On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:14:59 GMT, "dg" <dan_gus@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Exactly, I watched one called Suicide Club (asian film) that had
> >>
> >>subtitles
> >>
> >>>>in the black portion. Bugged the hell out of me.
> >>>
> >>>That film isn't Asian; it's Japanese.
> >>
> >>Is this a slip of the tongue or are you trying to give Steveo come
> >>competition? ;-)
> >
> >
> > No, I'm quite serious.
>
> I knew what point you were making. You just turned semantics on it's
> head in trying make your point.
>
> > Japan isn't just Asian, it's Japanese.
>
> That's not the same argument as:
>
> >>>That film isn't Asian; it's Japanese.


Or this film ain't American, it was made in New Mexico!


>
>
> > It's
> > incredibly sloppy to label something Japanese (or Chinese, or Russian,
> > or Indian) "Asian".
>
> Not being specific is not synonymous with being sloppy.
>
> > It's like using "American" to describe something
> > Peruvian.
>
> Peru is part of America. The sad part is that most "Americans" couldn't
> tell you which continent Peru is on let alone point it out on a map.

You mean Peru isn't in China?!?!


>
> We were just having some fun with your detaching Japan from the rest of
> Asia. Your points are all well taken.
>
> David

[Karyudo]

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:39:18 -0500, "David B." <dsbalfoo@syr.edu>
wrote:

>>>>[Suicide Club] isn't Asian; it's Japanese.
>>>
>>>Is this a slip of the tongue or are you trying to give Steveo come
>>>competition? ;-)
>>
>> No, I'm quite serious.
>
>I knew what point you were making. You just turned semantics on its
>head in trying make your point.

That was on purpose! I did want it to sound (almost) absurd. Those who
knew what I meant (e.g. you) would understand that it wasn't (quite)
absurd. Of course Japan is in Asia; how could I argue otherwise? That
was meant to be the "hook"...

> >>>That film isn't Asian; it's Japanese.
>
>That's not the same argument as:
>
>> Japan isn't just Asian, it's Japanese.

Of course it isn't, but the people I hoped would read my post are
readers who knew (or at least understood) the point I was trying to
make from the former, without needing the latter.

>Peru is part of America. The sad part is that most "Americans" couldn't
>tell you which continent Peru is on let alone point it out on a map.

Again, that was exactly my point! Well, that and the fact using such a
broad brush as "American" to describe such different places as the US
or Canada and Peru is about as dopey as using "Asian" to describe all
the diverse countries of that continent. I concur about the
geographical failings of many North Americans (although I'm not sure
about Mexicans...). I'm not even sure I could confidently point to
Peru myself. Although I do know vaguely where to start looking (hint
to self: below Mexico).

>We were just having some fun with your detaching Japan from the rest of
>Asia. Your points are all well taken.

Cool. I did plan to catch some flak for detaching Japan from Asia,
even if my main point was supposed to be about DVD subtitles.

[Karyudo]

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 23:23:38 GMT, "severian" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>The main thing I see people from Asia complaining about
>these days is being labeled Oriental, as they say they don't call
>Westerner's Occidentals.

You know, I've never heard that argument from anybody Oriental --
including most of my friends and some of my family. I get the feeling
it's mostly political correctness on the part of "Occidentals", rather
than any explicit resentment of the term by the people it describes.
Of course, I'm talking to people who are mostly first-generation
immigrants.

And at least "Oriental" these days generally connotes "monogoloid" in
terms of how people look. To use "Asian" as a euphemism is really
dumb, since (as but two examples) Indians and Russians are Caucasian.

We laugh when we hear of Victorian prudishness of language, where
people had troubles describing ailments to doctors because they
couldn't use specific words to refer to specific parts of the body,
but we're really no better now, are we?

>[Y]ou are
>right that Japan is the quality king and is not a serious bootlegger of
>copyrighted material.

Finally! And here we are, back on topic. Sort of an enjoyable
excursion, though.

[Anon-E-Moose]

"severian" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in news:ybjWd.1911$CW2.1155
@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:

>> That film isn't Asian; it's Japanese.
>
> Is this a slip of the tongue or are you trying to give Steveo come
> competition? ;-)


The poster of that comment seemed to have a Japanese name. Some Japanese
(quite a few) think their superior and don't like to be "grouped" in with
other Asians. Not really surprising considering Japan has never apologized
for WWII and continues to deny the atrocities they committed.

[Karyudo]

On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:25:19 GMT, "Anon-E-Moose"
<anon-e-moose@yahoo.com> wrote:

>The poster of that comment seemed to have a Japanese name. Some Japanese
>(quite a few) think their superior and don't like to be "grouped" in with
>other Asians.

I'm not Japanese. However, considering that Japan is Asia's only First
World economy, and the only Asian member of the G8, I'd have to agree
that they *are* superior, and *shouldn't* be grouped in with other
Asians -- at least economically, which is how DVD must surely have to
be viewed.

I'd also politely submit that your time would likely be better spent
practising English spelling and grammar than postulating the motives
of a poster based on his nick (their superior what?).

[Noozer]

"Karyudo" <karyudo_usenet@yahoo.com.remove.me> wrote in message
news:tnrm21hlp0d1r1thna9f6qi7n09703vleg@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:25:19 GMT, "Anon-E-Moose"
> <anon-e-moose@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >The poster of that comment seemed to have a Japanese name. Some Japanese
> >(quite a few) think their superior and don't like to be "grouped" in with
> >other Asians.
>
> I'm not Japanese. However, considering that Japan is Asia's only First
> World economy, and the only Asian member of the G8, I'd have to agree
> that they *are* superior, and *shouldn't* be grouped in with other
> Asians -- at least economically, which is how DVD must surely have to
> be viewed.
>
> I'd also politely submit that your time would likely be better spent
> practising English spelling and grammar than postulating the motives
> of a poster based on his nick (their superior what?).

Whatever...

Japanese are just as Asian as Americans are North American.

[David B.]

Noozer wrote:
> Whatever...
>
> Japanese are just as Asian as Americans are North American.

Can I borrow someone's irony meter? Mine just broke.

Thanks,
David

[Lucas Tam]

"Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in
news:yXQWd.589554$8l.42943@pd7tw1no:

> Whatever...
>
> Japanese are just as Asian as Americans are North American.

Exactly : )

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[Karyudo]

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:52:09 GMT, "David B." <BikeMan@twcny.rr.com>
wrote:

>Can I borrow someone's irony meter? Mine just broke.

Ask Noozer. If he's got one, it's not being used.

[Swallowtail]

<bruin70@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1109871229.834569.7660@l41g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> this has become very frustrating! watching subtitles on my 16:9
> CORRECTLY(with its proper aspect ratio) has become a nuisance when the
> subtitles are placed OUTSIDE the film frame, in the black letterbox
> area......because the subtitles end up off the tv screen. the only time
> subtitles work is if the film was shot in VERY wide aspect ratio, like
> 2.xx:1. otherwise, i have to watch the dvd in 4:3(normal) view
>
> i wish they'd start placing subtitles back inside the movie frame.
>
> anyone know who i can email to address this ? is there a governing dvd
> org that has some say?

Would it not be possible to utilize the closed captioning instead of the
DVD's subtitles?

[Karl S]

On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:25:19 GMT, "Anon-E-Moose"
<anon-e-moose@yahoo.com> wrote:


>The poster of that comment seemed to have a Japanese name. Some Japanese
>(quite a few) think their superior and don't like to be "grouped" in with
>other Asians.

I'm not Japanese and I think they are superior--their accomplishments
AND their culture.

I am happy that they are not ruining this by allowing inferior
foreigners to settle in their country.