Integration of 5400 into Minder

[Forumadmin]

Integrate a Clipsal 5400 into Minder.

The Clipsal 5400 security panel (aka; NessD8) has the ability to be integrated into the Minder controller or for that matter any other controller. I’ll give you a brief of how it is achieved and what can then be implemented in the design of your next project.

The 5400 has open collectors at the base of the panel. These indicate the status of the panel at any given time. Without going into all the functions of the panel I will concentrate on 2 of the outputs. AUX1 and ARM1. And 0V as the common.

The outputs from these 2 open collectors can be input into Minder to provide a few functions. Ie;
If AUX1 is closed then the panel is in Alarm state.
If ARM1 is closed then the panel is Armed or at least area 1 is armed.

With this knowledge of the panel status you can perform some nice enhancements to your project. For example.

1. Using wireless keypad buttons available (5403KP) you can arm the system.

2. Minder would see ARM1 change state and then perform functions like shut down the building after a pre-determined time. If it was night time you could put lights on so the occupants could see their way out, and then shut down. Conversely if the panel is disarmed then obviously the occupants are home so Minder can wake the house up. If its night time turn things on etc.

3. You could have Minder make the residence look lived in while away, etc etc.

4. If you are using zone 8 on the panel as a key switch controlled by minder then there is the added safety of not turning the panel off. i.e. “if ARM1 is on, then do nothing”. Saves you disarming the panel when you think you are arming it remotely.

5. If AUX1 is on then you could turn on all outside lights for a predetermined time etc.

That’s pretty much it, brief I know but you should get the idea. Basically it will allow you to get more out of your next installation and provide your customers with a small taste of building automation.

Many more things can be achieved I know but for the newbie’s out there it’s a major hint into how it goes together and what to think about.
The attached pics explain which open collectors to use and show the cable recommended for use with the panel.

Hope it helps

Cheers

[znelbok]

Failing to have a Minder I would expect that you could do some similar thing using an auxilary input mode only, such as turning the outside lights on if the panel is int he alarm state.

This should work for just about any panel as they all have a switched output for the alarm state. It is used to drive the siren.

Mick

[Forumadmin]

Failing to have a Minder I would expect that you could do some similar thing using an auxilary input mode only, such as turning the outside lights on if the panel is int he alarm state.

This should work for just about any panel as they all have a switched output for the alarm state. It is used to drive the siren.

Mick
Mick you are quite correct, however the beauty of using a Minder is that we can apply logic to any given change in state.
For example, if AUX1 is 'on' and TOD(time of day) is 'night', then include 'outside lights on'. The use of logic and flags gives alot of scope for integration and allows those outside lights to switched on for any given period but only at night.
I cannot vouch for all panels but one would imagine some sort of output could be gathered from most.

Cheers

[znelbok]

The only reason I mention this, is that it is a very expensive way to determine if it is dark. Minder is not a cheap option that everyone will want.
Possible a clock module will give the same results and failing that a light level sensor or sunrise sunset function from a PIR could determine if it was day or night and wether to turn the lights on.
Having a minder does lead to many other possibilities, which leads to spending more money (which is not always a bad thing)

[Forumadmin]

The only reason I mention this, is that it is a very expensive way to determine if it is dark. Minder is not a cheap option that everyone will want.
Possible a clock module will give the same results and failing that a light level sensor or sunrise sunset function from a PIR could determine if it was day or night and wether to turn the lights on.
Having a minder does lead to many other possibilities, which leads to spending more money (which is not always a bad thing)
Hmm,
Well I guess the whole idea of doing this small tutorial was to demonstrate how to integrate a security system item using Minder, since many would like to know.

I believe that if you integrated other items like floor heat, AC, curtain control, irrigation, access control, pool and spa contol, telephone support and a bucket of other items then the cost of Minder was what?

Cheers.

[znelbok]

Which is the point I was trying to make, but didn't do so well

I think I will just shut up now before I say something really stupid.

Mick

[Forumadmin]

Which is the point I was trying to make, but didn't do so well

I think I will just shut up now before I say something really stupid.

Mick
*cough*

ok

[Nathan]

With reference to the outputs from a ness d8 (homesafe) Ness make a unit called an output extender that sits on the output collector shown in previous photos. It gives you the abilty to gather inputs from all the Pir,reed etc inputs plus aux 1 ,2 and arm etc and these can be doubled giving loads of inputs of the ness panel. I have used these inputs to mimick a security code pad on a touch screen giving a fancy looking security system integration on a ctouch. You can also get a wireless remote that has an arm/disarm/aux and panic button on it then you can use the aux to trigger a group adress in minder to open garage door turn lights etc plus they use the same remote to arm /disarm house cutting down on many remotes. I will post some part numbers soon of the items mentioned.

[coppo1]

have you also seen the guy in canberra that took a D8 and built a webserver for it. ( size of a matchbox)

now instead of just getting "remote audible monitoring" and having your D8 "fax machine" ring you, you get SMS notification of cause of alarm, unsealed zone, etc.......

if people are interested , advise me and i will dig up the details from dusty part of harddrive....

[Forumadmin]

if people are interested , advise me and i will dig up the details from dusty part of harddrive....
Brett,
Howdi see if you dig up a link. Would be interesting for sure.

[coppo1]

no probs,

give it a little while though, currently on holidays..

a concept any of you self-employed people may have heard of in fantasy land..

[coppo1]

sorry bout the extended lag, cannot find the link.

i will try to find it on archived backups of my hard-drive, but don't hold your breath, last used it a long time ago, apologies on that.

i originally found out about it from "The Australian" newspaper. It has an IT section in it tuesdays and there was a feature article about home automation.

The guy was from canberra and bought a D8,
then he bought a webserver (size of a matchbox)
connected the OCE outputs from D8 into webserver,
webserver then had a very basic interpreting program built into it.
Webserver then sent out messages via TCP/IP to a nominated website he discovered
the website then sent the messages out to Cell network as SMS,
where his mobile phone then received the messages as SMS with relevant text describing the alarm/event.

[Forumadmin]

The guy was from canberra and bought a D8,
then he bought a webserver (size of a matchbox)
connected the OCE outputs from D8 into webserver,
webserver then had a very basic interpreting program built into it.
Webserver then sent out messages via TCP/IP to a nominated website he discovered
the website then sent the messages out to Cell network as SMS,
where his mobile phone then received the messages as SMS with relevant text describing the alarm/event.

lol,
the guy is truely inventive or has too much time on his hands!.
thanks for trying tho.
cheers

[coppo1]

:)

well patience does pay off......

back from holidays and found the errant file.....

interesting reading for anyone using D8, however as you said
this guy had a lot of time on his hands and knew who to bother to make it work.

:rolleyes:

next question, the file is 940Kb (pdf)
how do i get past your upload limit of 244KB?

or do i just cut it up into 7 x 1 page pdf's?

no listing for current sites for you to access it from either,
sorry about that chief

[Forumadmin]

next question, the file is 940Kb (pdf)

Nope,
I reach into the bag of handy tweaks and up the .pdf and .zip limit to 1.5MB. Should do the trick.

Cheers

[coppo1]

:)

interesting reading for anyone using D8, however as you said
this guy had a lot of time on his hands and knew who to bother to make it work. :rolleyes:


thanks to the wonders of technology, here we are....

[Forumadmin]

lol, this guy either has a serious problem, or, he's a frustrated hacker but does'nt know it.
Nice work. Great read.
Cheers.