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arnie

19-07-2007, 05:14 PM

Hi
I want to control occupancy sensor [PMS02] and motion sensor [MS14A]
using powerlinc V2 controller USB [2414U]. There is also an RF
transceiver present in the circuit. Manually i be able to control the
x10 PRO modules using the motion sensor/transceiver combination. The
lamp module is LM465.
I want to control the motion sensor/occupancy sensor using PLC but no
idea about how it can be done
Can anyone suggest steps [if possible]
Thanks
Arnie

Dave Houston

19-07-2007, 11:23 PM

arnie <parvezat6@rediffmail.com> wrote:

>Hi
>I want to control occupancy sensor [PMS02] and motion sensor [MS14A]
>using powerlinc V2 controller USB [2414U]. There is also an RF
>transceiver present in the circuit. Manually i be able to control the
>x10 PRO modules using the motion sensor/transceiver combination. The
>lamp module is LM465.
>I want to control the motion sensor/occupancy sensor using PLC but no
>idea about how it can be done
>Can anyone suggest steps [if possible]
>Thanks
>Arnie

I do not understand what you mean by "control". All of the RF motion sensors
are one-way only. When they sense motion, they send an RF code to the
transceiver which then sends a PLC code on the powerline. There is no path
for sending messages to the motion sensors nor do the motion sensors have
any circuitry for receiving messages. The motion sensors are "programmed"
using their pushbuttons. All the Powerlinc controller can do is react to the
PLC codes on the powerline.

Dave Houston

19-07-2007, 11:23 PM

arnie

20-07-2007, 03:40 PM

Thanks for the reply
Corresponding to the message received by PLC as a result of the motion
sensor/transceiver combination, how can i identify from which motion
sensor the plc has received the message since it may be that more than
one motion sensor may be present. Do there exists any kind of identity
in the message that identifies the sending duo [motion sensor/
transceiver].
Arnie

Dave Houston

20-07-2007, 11:27 PM

arnie <parvezat6@rediffmail.com> wrote:

>Thanks for the reply
>Corresponding to the message received by PLC as a result of the motion
>sensor/transceiver combination, how can i identify from which motion
>sensor the plc has received the message since it may be that more than
>one motion sensor may be present. Do there exists any kind of identity
>in the message that identifies the sending duo [motion sensor/
>transceiver].
>Arnie

If you read the programming instructions for the PMS02 that I referenced
earlier, it should become clear. On sensing motion, the sensor sends an ON
code to a user programmed address. After a user programmed interval, it
sends an OFF code to the same address. On sensing dawn (or any light) it
sends an OFF code to an address that is one unit code higher than the motion
address and at dusk (or lack of light) it sends an ON to that higher
address. If you place the sensor where it can "see" the lamp controlled by
motion, it will "think" it's dawn when the lamp turns on and dusk when it
turns off, leading to confusion.

arnie

21-07-2007, 06:46 PM

Dave
Can you tell me the link for the programming instructions that you
have referenced so that I can read and understand. My biggest problem
is that I am using an intermediate [that you can say communicator] to
communicate with PLC which in turn sends the commands to the concerned
devices. The intermediate is Smarthome Device Manager [SDM3] so I was
left with the features available from this. This means I am not
directly communicating with PLC. Basically my project is in C# 2005.
Thanks
Arnie

Dave Houston

21-07-2007, 09:18 PM

arnie <parvezat6@rediffmail.com> wrote:

>Dave
>Can you tell me the link for the programming instructions that you
>have referenced so that I can read and understand. My biggest problem
>is that I am using an intermediate [that you can say communicator] to
>communicate with PLC which in turn sends the commands to the concerned
>devices. The intermediate is Smarthome Device Manager [SDM3] so I was
>left with the features available from this. This means I am not
>directly communicating with PLC. Basically my project is in C# 2005.
>Thanks
>Arnie

I gave you the link earlier in this thread.

http://www.x10pro.com/pro/pdf/pms02.pdf

I'll repeat one more time that there is no way to send commands to the
motion sensors as they have neither an RF receiver nor a powerline
interface.

arnie

23-07-2007, 03:27 PM

Dave
>From looking at this group it seems that you have a good experience on
working with home automation. On which language [if any] that you have
worked in communication with PLC and such other devices or if not
still then which programming language you seems right for this. Since
I am making use of c# but it has so much limitations that I was left
with little on my part to do
Hope you reply for this query
Thanks
Arnie

arnie

23-07-2007, 03:27 PM

On Jul 21, 3:47 pm, nob...@whocares.com (Dave Houston) wrote:
> arnie <parvez...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
> >Dave
> >Can you tell me the link for the programming instructions that you
> >have referenced so that I can read and understand. My biggest problem
> >is that I am using an intermediate [that you can say communicator] to
> >communicate with PLC which in turn sends the commands to the concerned
> >devices. The intermediate is Smarthome Device Manager [SDM3] so I was
> >left with the features available from this. This means I am not
> >directly communicating with PLC. Basically my project is in C# 2005.
> >Thanks
> >Arnie
>
> I gave you the link earlier in this thread.
>
> http://www.x10pro.com/pro/pdf/pms02.pdf
>
> I'll repeat one more time that there is no way to send commands to the
> motion sensors as they have neither an RF receiver nor a powerline
> interface.
Just one more addition to this query:-Do it also requires knowledge of
the micro controllers/micro processors as well?
Thanks
Arnie

Dave Houston

23-07-2007, 08:59 PM

arnie <parvezat6@rediffmail.com> wrote:

>Dave
>>From looking at this group it seems that you have a good experience on
>working with home automation. On which language [if any] that you have
>worked in communication with PLC and such other devices or if not
>still then which programming language you seems right for this. Since
>I am making use of c# but it has so much limitations that I was left
>with little on my part to do
>Hope you reply for this query
>Thanks
>Arnie

I've used Visual Basic (pre-Net) for Windows and various Basic dialects
BasCOM AVR, PicBasic, BasicX, ZBasic) for embedded devices. But that's
mostly because I'm an old geezer who isn't up to learning new languages not
because I consider them best.

Dave Houston

23-07-2007, 08:59 PM

arnie <parvezat6@rediffmail.com> wrote:

>On Jul 21, 3:47 pm, nob...@whocares.com (Dave Houston) wrote:
>> arnie <parvez...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
>> >Dave
>> >Can you tell me the link for the programming instructions that you
>> >have referenced so that I can read and understand. My biggest problem
>> >is that I am using an intermediate [that you can say communicator] to
>> >communicate with PLC which in turn sends the commands to the concerned
>> >devices. The intermediate is Smarthome Device Manager [SDM3] so I was
>> >left with the features available from this. This means I am not
>> >directly communicating with PLC. Basically my project is in C# 2005.
>> >Thanks
>> >Arnie
>>
>> I gave you the link earlier in this thread.
>>
>> http://www.x10pro.com/pro/pdf/pms02.pdf
>>
>> I'll repeat one more time that there is no way to send commands to the
>> motion sensors as they have neither an RF receiver nor a powerline
>> interface.
>Just one more addition to this query:-Do it also requires knowledge of
>the micro controllers/micro processors as well?
>Thanks
>Arnie

Not to understand how the devices function - only if you want to delve
deeper and make your own devices or modify existing devices. Anand has done
some of this because X-10 hardware is not readily available in your country.