best cable for video camera

[Mick]

G'day all

WIll be building soon and I need to run some video camera cables.

What is the best cable to use for the base band video signal RG59 (75
ohm) or RG58 (50 ohm) or something diifferent.

Also what is recomended for the audio side of things as well.

Thanks

Mick

[Robert L Bass]

> G'day all
>
> WIll be building soon and I need to run some
> video camera cables.
>
> What is the best cable to use for the base band
> video signal RG59 (75 ohm) or RG58 (50 ohm)
> or something diifferent.

We've been using RG59 for CCTV cameras in the alarm industry for decades.
That said, some of the new CAT5 cameras are worth considering too.

> Also what is recomended for the audio side of
> things as well.

That depends on what you mean by audio. If you're planning to distribute
music at line level you can use ordinary shielded cable. Several firms like
Russound make CAT5 audio distribution and control systems based on an
Australian invention called A-BUS technology. Other popular systems use
CAT5 for command and control and conventional speaker and video cables to
distribute media.

I sell a number of these systems online (URL below) in case you're
interested.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

[Don]

I would suggest using RG6-Quad Shield for the video. I have all my cameras
using it. Better shielding than with RG59. Most cameras I have found are
75 ohm so RG58 would not be a good choice.

Don

www.k9soa.net


"Mick" <stuck@work.com> wrote in message
news:379u4eF594373U1@individual.net...
> G'day all
>
> WIll be building soon and I need to run some video camera cables.
>
> What is the best cable to use for the base band video signal RG59 (75
> ohm) or RG58 (50 ohm) or something diifferent.
>
> Also what is recomended for the audio side of things as well.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mick

[BruceR]

I'd agree that that's the best cable but isn't it overkill for a local
camera? A good quality (i.e. Belden) RG-59 will provide better
flexibility and virtually perfect picture quality. The thicker center
conductor of the RG6 is great for broadband but doesn't really do
anything for a baseband signal. In fact, even Cat 5 with baluns will
provide a crystal clear picture.

From:Don
kyham@k9soa.net

> I would suggest using RG6-Quad Shield for the video. I have all my
> cameras using it. Better shielding than with RG59. Most cameras I
> have found are 75 ohm so RG58 would not be a good choice.
>
> Don
>
> www.k9soa.net
>
>
> "Mick" <stuck@work.com> wrote in message
> news:379u4eF594373U1@individual.net...
>> G'day all
>>
>> WIll be building soon and I need to run some video camera cables.
>>
>> What is the best cable to use for the base band video signal RG59
>> (75 ohm) or RG58 (50 ohm) or something diifferent.
>>
>> Also what is recomended for the audio side of things as well.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mick

[Robert L Bass]

> I'd agree that that's the best cable but isn't it overkill for a local
> camera?

Yes, it is. We've been using RG-59 in the security industry for this
purpose for several decades and it still works perfectly. RG6/QS is needed
for high bandwidth applications like satellite. It adds nothing to the
quality of CCTV camera systems. It is more expensive and more of a pain to
use than RG-59.

> ... In fact, even Cat 5 with baluns will provide a crystal clear
> picture.

True, but RG-59 without baluns is slightly better since it requires nothing
but a connector at each end.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

[BruceR]

Agreed. The balun is a workaround... but indeed a handy one!

From:Robert L Bass
sales@bassburglaralarms.com

>> I'd agree that that's the best cable but isn't it overkill for a
>> local camera?
>
> Yes, it is. We've been using RG-59 in the security industry for this
> purpose for several decades and it still works perfectly. RG6/QS is
> needed for high bandwidth applications like satellite. It adds
> nothing to the quality of CCTV camera systems. It is more expensive
> and more of a pain to use than RG-59.
>
>> ... In fact, even Cat 5 with baluns will provide a crystal clear
>> picture.
>
> True, but RG-59 without baluns is slightly better since it requires
> nothing but a connector at each end.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
> =============================>
> Bass Home Electronics
> 2291 Pine View Circle
> Sarasota · Florida · 34231
> 877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
> http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
> =============================>

[Robert L Bass]

> Agreed. The balun is a workaround... but indeed a handy one!

Yup. If you've only got CAT5 cable and it's inconvenient to run coax, use
the baluns.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

[Mick]

Thanks Robert

I was talking about the audio from a CCTV camera.

IP cameras have not been ruled out yet, but wiring has to be done first
with camera selection in the future

Mick

Robert L Bass wrote:
>>G'day all
>>
>>WIll be building soon and I need to run some
>>video camera cables.
>>
>>What is the best cable to use for the base band
>>video signal RG59 (75 ohm) or RG58 (50 ohm)
>>or something diifferent.
>
>
> We've been using RG59 for CCTV cameras in the alarm industry for decades.
> That said, some of the new CAT5 cameras are worth considering too.
>
>
>>Also what is recomended for the audio side of
>>things as well.
>
>
> That depends on what you mean by audio. If you're planning to distribute
> music at line level you can use ordinary shielded cable. Several firms like
> Russound make CAT5 audio distribution and control systems based on an
> Australian invention called A-BUS technology. Other popular systems use
> CAT5 for command and control and conventional speaker and video cables to
> distribute media.
>
> I sell a number of these systems online (URL below) in case you're
> interested.
>

[Don]

Well for the small difference in cost, I still recommend RG6. I have
almost 1-1/2 miles for all my video side of the home wiring. The extra
shield helps keep out generated noise.

Then again, you asked for recommendations and this is mine. I always prefer
the BEST option first. That way I never have to do anything over.

Take a tour of my place and see what I have done here.


--
Don K9SOA

www.k9soa.net
Home of JEANNIE
The House That Listens
My voice controlled automated home
as seen on HGTV and
in Home Automation and Kentucky Living magazines



"Robert L Bass" <sales@bassburglaralarms.com> wrote in message
news:4212eb99$1_4@alt.athenanews.com...
>> Agreed. The balun is a workaround... but indeed a handy one!
>
> Yup. If you've only got CAT5 cable and it's inconvenient to run coax, use
> the baluns.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
> =============================>
> Bass Home Electronics
> 2291 Pine View Circle
> Sarasota · Florida · 34231
> 877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
> http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
> =============================>
>

[Robert L Bass]

OK, gotcha. I'd do it this way. Run three cables -- CAT5 + RG59 + 18/2 --
to each camera location. That will give you the flexibility to use
virtually any camera type that suits your fancy and your pocketbook. Wire
is cheap and it's a snap to put it all in while the walls are open.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

> Thanks Robert
>
> I was talking about the audio from a CCTV camera.
>
> IP cameras have not been ruled out yet, but wiring has to be done first
> with camera selection in the future
>
> Mick
>
> Robert L Bass wrote:
>>>G'day all
>>>
>>>WIll be building soon and I need to run some
>>>video camera cables.
>>>
>>>What is the best cable to use for the base band
>>>video signal RG59 (75 ohm) or RG58 (50 ohm)
>>>or something diifferent.
>>
>>
>> We've been using RG59 for CCTV cameras in the alarm industry for decades.
>> That said, some of the new CAT5 cameras are worth considering too.
>>
>>
>>>Also what is recomended for the audio side of
>>>things as well.
>>
>>
>> That depends on what you mean by audio. If you're planning to distribute
>> music at line level you can use ordinary shielded cable. Several firms
>> like Russound make CAT5 audio distribution and control systems based on
>> an Australian invention called A-BUS technology. Other popular systems
>> use CAT5 for command and control and conventional speaker and video
>> cables to distribute media.
>>
>> I sell a number of these systems online (URL below) in case you're
>> interested.
>>

[Mick]

So I assume power is availbe to the camera via one of these cables.

The twin could carry power easily, but then you lose audio capability.
The coax could carry the power as well, but an injector would be needed.

Is there something I am missing

Robert L Bass wrote:
> OK, gotcha. I'd do it this way. Run three cables -- CAT5 + RG59 + 18/2 --
> to each camera location. That will give you the flexibility to use
> virtually any camera type that suits your fancy and your pocketbook. Wire
> is cheap and it's a snap to put it all in while the walls are open.
>

[RM]

18/2 for power on cameras that use coax for video/audio

Cat-5 for power,video and audio, plus motion on some (Lorex, RadioShack,
Core Technology, et al)


"Mick" <stuck@work.com> wrote in message
news:37kjonF5c6hthU1@individual.net...
> So I assume power is availbe to the camera via one of these cables.
>
> The twin could carry power easily, but then you lose audio capability.
> The coax could carry the power as well, but an injector would be needed.
>
> Is there something I am missing
>
> Robert L Bass wrote:
> > OK, gotcha. I'd do it this way. Run three cables -- CAT5 + RG59 +
18/2 --
> > to each camera location. That will give you the flexibility to use
> > virtually any camera type that suits your fancy and your pocketbook.
Wire
> > is cheap and it's a snap to put it all in while the walls are open.
> >

[Robert L Bass]

> So I assume power is availbe to the camera via one of these cables.

Yes. For a conventional camera power would run on the 18/2 cable. If you
select a "CAT5" camera, one of the twisted pairs will carry the power.

> The twin could carry power easily, but then you
> lose audio capability. The coax could carry the
> power as well, but an injector would be needed.

I didn't notice you wanted audi as well. In that case, add a run of 22/2
shielded cable with a drain wire. This stuff is dirt cheap and will carry
mic or line level signals just about anywhere in the house with little or no
loss/noise.

> Is there something I am missing

Nope. I missed the part about audio at first. Sorry about that.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

[Reg]

Robert L Bass wrote:

> I didn't notice you wanted audi as well. In that case, add a run of 22/2
> shielded cable with a drain wire. This stuff is dirt cheap and will carry
> mic or line level signals just about anywhere in the house with little or no
> loss/noise.

Robert, thanks for your posts, they're always very informative.

I'm about to hook up some 22/2 with drain for a line level signal.
I'm told that the right way to connect the drain wire is one side
only should be connected to earth ground. Also, the shielding should
not be shorted to the drain wire. Is this correct?

--
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[Robert L Bass]

> Robert L Bass wrote:
>
>> I didn't notice you wanted audi as well. In that case, add a run of 22/2
>> shielded cable with a drain wire. This stuff is dirt cheap and will
>> carry mic or line level signals just about anywhere in the house with
>> little or no loss/noise.
>
> Robert, thanks for your posts, they're always very informative.

Thanks [blush].

> I'm about to hook up some 22/2 with drain for a line level signal.
> I'm told that the right way to connect the drain wire is one side
> only should be connected to earth ground. Also, the shielding should
> not be shorted to the drain wire. Is this correct?

If you are hooking it up for an RF signal, yes I'd do it that way. For line
level audio, no. I would connect the drain (shield) at both ends.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

[Steve Uhrig]

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 16:17:12 -0500, "Robert L Bass"
<sales@bassburglaralarms.com> wrote:

> > I'm about to hook up some 22/2 with drain for a line level signal.
> > I'm told that the right way to connect the drain wire is one side
> > only should be connected to earth ground. Also, the shielding should
> > not be shorted to the drain wire. Is this correct?

> If you are hooking it up for an RF signal, yes I'd do it that way. For line
> level audio, no. I would connect the drain (shield) at both ends.

Generally you're best off connecting one end only to ground, and
connecting the shield and a separate drain together at that same end
only.

Connecting one end will let the drain capture ambient signals and dump
them to ground, which is what you want.

Connecting both ends creates the potential for ground loops, which
can't happen if only one end is connected. Ground loops happen when
two different points are grounded, and you develop a voltage drop
across ground. Can be maddening. I've seen 20 volts difference in
potential on long pieces of video coax, from ground loops.

Look in old tube audio equipment which had tons of 60 cycles running
all over the chassis for filaments. Shields on audio lines will be
connected only at one end for exactly this reason.

Twisted pair also gives you common mode rejection, which is a lot more
effective than shielding. That's why Cat 5 isn't shielded, nor was Cat
3 (the old phone wire).

Regards ... Steve


************************************************** *******************
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[RM]

"Steve Uhrig" <Steve@swssec.com> wrote in message
news:f35v21d6hc31bhblhpgb9dlc91mteesiuc@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 16:17:12 -0500, "Robert L Bass"
> <sales@bassburglaralarms.com> wrote:
>
> Generally you're best off connecting one end only to ground, and
> connecting the shield and a separate drain together at that same end
> only.
>
> Connecting one end will let the drain capture ambient signals and dump
> them to ground, which is what you want.
>
> Connecting both ends creates the potential for ground loops, which
> can't happen if only one end is connected. Ground loops happen when
> two different points are grounded, and you develop a voltage drop
> across ground. Can be maddening. I've seen 20 volts difference in
> potential on long pieces of video coax, from ground loops.
>


That seems to be opposite of this advice as posted on RemoteCentral:

If you're having ground loop problems, by all means, try breaking the shield
of the RCA cable connecting the two pieces of equipment. I guaranty that the
problem will be much, much worse. For by doing so, you've now taken away the
fairly direct signal grounding path provided by the shield and left in its
place a lengthy run of ground wire through the building's electrical system,
having a considerable 60Hz AC voltage differential already present along its
length. if you want a simple demonstration of this, place a grounded sub on
one circuit and a grounded receiver on another. Turn the sub on and adjust
its input trim to a typical setting. Plug an RCA cable into the receiver and
slowly plug the other end into the sub. If you have some experience
connecting consumer audio equipment, you know what happens next: the center
pin if the RCA makes contact before the RCA barrel, hence the shield is not
yet connected. And should you dwell for a while with the connector partially
mated in this manner, the resulting roar of clipped 60Hz will soon have your
ears bleeding and/or your sub crying for mercy.

[Andrew Burgess]

>> Connecting both ends creates the potential for ground loops, which
>> can't happen if only one end is connected. Ground loops happen when
>> two different points are grounded, and you develop a voltage drop
>> across ground. Can be maddening. I've seen 20 volts difference in
>> potential on long pieces of video coax, from ground loops.
>>
>If you're having ground loop problems, by all means, try breaking the shield
>of the RCA cable connecting the two pieces of equipment. I guaranty that the
>problem will be much, much worse. For by doing so, you've now taken away the
>fairly direct signal grounding path provided by the shield and left in its
>place a lengthy run of ground wire through the building's electrical system,
>having a considerable 60Hz AC voltage differential already present along its
>length. if you want a simple demonstration of this, place a grounded sub on
>one circuit and a grounded receiver on another. Turn the sub on and adjust
>its input trim to a typical setting. Plug an RCA cable into the receiver and
>slowly plug the other end into the sub. If you have some experience
>connecting consumer audio equipment, you know what happens next: the center
>pin if the RCA makes contact before the RCA barrel, hence the shield is not
>yet connected. And should you dwell for a while with the connector partially
>mated in this manner, the resulting roar of clipped 60Hz will soon have your
>ears bleeding and/or your sub crying for mercy.

I think this will only happen if the sub does not have a 3 pin grounded power
connection. With a 2 pin ac power connection, there is only one ground, the
shield, and it must be connected, as you describe. With 3 pins there is the
potential for ground loops and the sheild need only be connected on one end.

Its also possible even with a grounded power connection that the shield isn't
connected to it inside the sub, in which case it would behave as you describe.

My sub is ungrounded ac power and howls without a shield connection :-)

[Robert L Bass]

> My sub is ungrounded ac power and howls
> without a shield connection :-)

During the many years I installed this stuff for a living I always connected
the drain at both ends of line level cables. With RF signals the procedure
is different.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

[Group Moderator]

http://goofysplace.com/bbbfiled.htm







"Robert L Bass" <sales@bassburglaralarms.com> wrote in message
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>> My sub is ungrounded ac power and howls
>> without a shield connection :-)
>
> During the many years I installed this stuff for a living I always
> connected the drain at both ends of line level cables. With RF signals
> the procedure is different.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
> =============================>
> Bass Home Electronics
> 2291 Pine View Circle
> Sarasota · Florida · 34231
> 877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
> http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
> =============================>
>

[Robert L. Bass]

In case anyone here doesn't already know it, this fellow pretending to be a
"group moderator" is actually Michael Sabodish, a competitor from NJ. He
has built a hate website dedicated to me. I guess he has a lot of time on
his hands. Oh, well.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

[Reg]

Robert L. Bass wrote:

> In case anyone here doesn't already know it, this fellow pretending to be a
> "group moderator" is actually Michael Sabodish, a competitor from NJ.

No problem. He's been in my kook file for some time now.

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[Group Moderator]

Robert L. Goofy Bass is referring to http://www.Goofysplace.com . I may add
it is a site that **EVERYONE should read before making any deals with Robert
L Bass of www.bassburglaralarms.com or www.bass-home.com
You can see his latest victim that he DOUBLED BILLED the customers credit
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PS: Michael Sabodish, does not have anything to do with
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++


"Robert L. Bass" <robertlbass@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> In case anyone here doesn't already know it, this fellow pretending to be
> a "group moderator" is actually Michael Sabodish, a competitor from NJ.
> He has built a hate website dedicated to me. I guess he has a lot of time
> on his hands. Oh, well.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
> =============================>
> Bass Home Electronics
> 2291 Pine View Circle
> Sarasota · Florida · 34231
> 877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
> http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
> =============================>
>

[G. Morgan]

Subject: Re: best cable for video camera
Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms
=> Group Moderator <= wrote:

>PS: Michael Sabodish, does not have anything to do with
>http://www.Goofysplace.com DO A WHO IS and instant proof will be available.
>-Moderator


Liar,

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[Frank Olson]

"G. Morgan" <alarmprosnail@snailgmail.com> wrote in message
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> Subject: Re: best cable for video camera
> Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms
> => Group Moderator <= wrote:
>
>>PS: Michael Sabodish, does not have anything to do with
>>http://www.Goofysplace.com DO A WHO IS and instant proof will be
>>available.
>>-Moderator
>
>
> Liar,
>
> Anyone can get Domains by Proxy, Inc.


Mike has taken great pains to distance himself from the Goofy web site as
well as the "spoof" site of Robert's new company. Unfortunately for him, it
was less than two years ago that the "who-is" resolved to the same address
and phone numbers as Mike's supposed "brick and mortar" store. I posted the
information in this group a couple of months ago.

[Group Moderator]

"Frank Olson" <feolson@shawcdn.ca> wrote in message
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> Mike has taken great pains to distance himself from the Goofy web site as
> well as the "spoof" site of Robert's new company. Unfortunately for him,
> it was less than two years ago that the "who-is" resolved to the same
> address and phone numbers as Mike's supposed "brick and mortar" store. I
> posted the information in this group a couple of months ago.


PROVE IT DREAMER - You know both of them sites are owned by you....... New
meds have you confused

[Don Wiss]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Group Moderator <GroupModerator@ASA.com> wrote:

>Frank Olson <feolson@shawcdn.ca> wrote:
>
>> Mike has taken great pains to distance himself from the Goofy web site as
>> well as the "spoof" site of Robert's new company. Unfortunately for him,
>> it was less than two years ago that the "who-is" resolved to the same
>> address and phone numbers as Mike's supposed "brick and mortar" store. I
>> posted the information in this group a couple of months ago.
>
>PROVE IT DREAMER - You know both of them sites are owned by you....... New
>meds have you confused

If someone is willing to spend $15, an archive of past whoises can be found
here: http://www.whois.sc/

Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).

[Frank Olson]

"Don Wiss" <donwiss@no_spam.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Group Moderator <GroupModerator@ASA.com> wrote:
>
>>Frank Olson <feolson@shawcdn.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike has taken great pains to distance himself from the Goofy web site
>>> as
>>> well as the "spoof" site of Robert's new company. Unfortunately for
>>> him,
>>> it was less than two years ago that the "who-is" resolved to the same
>>> address and phone numbers as Mike's supposed "brick and mortar" store.
>>> I
>>> posted the information in this group a couple of months ago.
>>
>>PROVE IT DREAMER - You know both of them sites are owned by you....... New
>>meds have you confused
>
> If someone is willing to spend $15, an archive of past whoises can be
> found
> here: http://www.whois.sc/



No need. The "who-is" for all his sites are archived in "Google" for this
Newsgroup. At one time, the contact number and address for AlarmServicesInc
and Goofysplace was one and the same. Mike also posted under his
"GoofyWebmaster" persona but forgot and signed his name! He's not the
"sharpest tool in the shed"...

[Group Moderator]

"Frank Olson" <feolson@shawcdn.ca> wrote in message
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> No need. The "who-is" for all his sites are archived in "Google" for this
> Newsgroup. At one time, the contact number and address for
> AlarmServicesInc and Goofysplace was one and the same. Mike also posted
> under his "GoofyWebmaster" persona but forgot and signed his name! He's
> not the "sharpest tool in the shed"...


PROVE IT - At at one time George Washington was a President.. Now even
Frankie Boy Olson can be the owner of http://wwwGoofysPlace.com
Poor Frankie has soooooo many last names and **NEVER** met his Real Father.
Hmmmm may your real Father be Robert L Bass????? One never knows

[Frank Olson]

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>
> "Frank Olson" <feolson@shawcdn.ca> wrote in message
> news:8NO%d.753806$6l.9104@pd7tw2no...
>> No need. The "who-is" for all his sites are archived in "Google" for
>> this Newsgroup. At one time, the contact number and address for
>> AlarmServicesInc and Goofysplace was one and the same. Mike also posted
>> under his "GoofyWebmaster" persona but forgot and signed his name! He's
>> not the "sharpest tool in the shed"...
>
>
> PROVE IT - At at one time George Washington was a President.. Now even
> Frankie Boy Olson can be the owner of http://wwwGoofysPlace.com

Wouldn't want to be. That's not "my style"... However, here's the "proof"
you need:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.security.alarms/browse_thread/thread/78df3dc1527e29f0/93a70ed7868513d7?q=alt.security.alarms+alarmservic esinc+%22who-is%22#93a70ed7868513d7



> Poor Frankie has soooooo many last names and **NEVER** met his Real
> Father.

I see you've got Robert's method almost down pat... Aren't you the nifty
little "Bass Clone"!


> Hmmmm may your real Father be Robert L Bass????? One never knows

You may never. But seeing as how Robert, you, and I are only a couple of
years apart (age wise) I guess it *is* possible...

Daddy!!!

[Group Moderator]

"Frank Olson" <feolson@shawcdn.ca> wrote in message
news:BX70e.761711$6l.568871@pd7tw2no...
>> PROVE IT - At at one time George Washington was a President.. Now even
>> Frankie Boy Olson can be the owner of http://wwwGoofysPlace.com
>
> Wouldn't want to be. That's not "my style"... However, here's the
> "proof" you need:
>
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.security.alarms/browse_thread/thread/78df3dc1527e29f0/93a70ed7868513d7?q=alt.security.alarms+alarmservic esinc+%22who-is%22#93a70ed7868513d7

So because I and 54,867,000 others have multiple names registered with Go
Daddy that means I own them all - What an ass hole.
-Moderator

[G. Morgan]

Subject: Re: best cable for video camera
Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms
=> Group Moderator <= wrote:

>
>PS: Michael Sabodish, does not have anything to do with
>http://www.Goofysplace.com DO A WHO IS and instant proof will be available.


LIAR!

I can prove it too.


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[G. Morgan]

Subject: Re: best cable for video camera
Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms
=> Group Moderator <= wrote:

>
>PS: Michael Sabodish, does not have anything to do with
>http://www.Goofysplace.com DO A WHO IS and instant proof will be available.


LIAR!

I can prove it too.


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