grow up before it too late

[Chief]

Grow up Robert
By Steve Ryckman

From: Steve Ryckman (sryckman@simsware.com)
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Changes to alt.security.alarms

Newsgroups: alt.security.alarms
Date: 1998/09/15

[This follow-up was posted to alt.security.alarms and a copy was sent to
the
cited author.]

In article RsoL1.94362$Xy6.22604521@news.rdc1.ct.home.com
alarmist@Home.com says..

Up until this message I have usually honored requests by Steve Ryckman such
as "thread closed" and "don't respond to this..." However, this message
requires a public response.

I would have expected no less from you Robert.

It is true this is an "alt" group, along with tens of thousands other
groups. Being an "alt" group does not mean the group is open to the whim
of
anyone whose whim warrants it.

You and I have had many conversations over the last couple of years and I
can understand where you are coming from. I can also understand that you
are
the prime reason for many of the problems. You may not provoke it
intentionally but the utter hatred for you that many in the group have is
the reason I'm having to do this in the first place.

I've tried to be patient with you, I've tried to explain the way things
should/could work but your goals are always ahead of the group in general.

Any newsgroup can take control of it's own destiny, there is no rule that
says all alt groups must be total chaos. The "big 8" were created first,
then the .alt groups so there could be more laxx areas. The "alt"
hierarchy
wasn't formed with the intent that all groups in it be totally out of
control. At the time the alt hierarchy was created, spam was not a
problem
and most users of the newsgroups at all were people like myself who had
been
involved in it for many years who exhibited some restraint in our on-line
activities on our own.

Read the FAQ Robert. You've hidden behind it yourself, you have used it to
retaliate against those you felt should be "moderated" (do I have to quote
some of your emails to me asking for others to be moderated), yet when it
doesn't turn your way all of a sudden the whole concept is wrong. I am not
the "moderator" of the group, no one is. There is no official procedure
for
changing the FAQ of the group other than it is the responsibility of the
Group Host to maintain it as the FAQ states.
|
If you have suggestions for changes to the FAQ to be made, then by all
means
stop criticizing everyone else and make some useful suggestions. These are
being run on a "trial" basis for one week as I stated. If it doesn't work
out then we'll change them. Or if someone has a better idea before that,
we
can change it. These aren't set in stone, they are my suggestions for
improving the group.

Grow up Robert and either participate nicely or go play somewhere else.
Steven M. Ryckman, ASA Group Host
Email: sryckman@simsware.com


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[G. Morgan]

Jake -- Is that you?



On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:11:18 -0500, Chief <Chief@ib.asa> wrote:

>Grow up Robert
>By Steve Ryckman
>
>From: Steve Ryckman (sryckman@simsware.com)
>Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Changes to alt.security.alarms
>
>Newsgroups: alt.security.alarms
>Date: 1998/09/15
>
>[This follow-up was posted to alt.security.alarms and a copy was sent to
>the
>cited author.]
>
>In article RsoL1.94362$Xy6.22604521@news.rdc1.ct.home.com
>alarmist@Home.com says..
>
>Up until this message I have usually honored requests by Steve Ryckman such
>as "thread closed" and "don't respond to this..." However, this message
>requires a public response.
>
>I would have expected no less from you Robert.
>
>It is true this is an "alt" group, along with tens of thousands other
>groups. Being an "alt" group does not mean the group is open to the whim
>of
>anyone whose whim warrants it.
>
>You and I have had many conversations over the last couple of years and I
>can understand where you are coming from. I can also understand that you
>are
>the prime reason for many of the problems. You may not provoke it
>intentionally but the utter hatred for you that many in the group have is
>the reason I'm having to do this in the first place.
>
>I've tried to be patient with you, I've tried to explain the way things
>should/could work but your goals are always ahead of the group in general.
>
>Any newsgroup can take control of it's own destiny, there is no rule that
>says all alt groups must be total chaos. The "big 8" were created first,
>then the .alt groups so there could be more laxx areas. The "alt"
>hierarchy
>wasn't formed with the intent that all groups in it be totally out of
>control. At the time the alt hierarchy was created, spam was not a
>problem
>and most users of the newsgroups at all were people like myself who had
>been
>involved in it for many years who exhibited some restraint in our on-line
>activities on our own.
>
>Read the FAQ Robert. You've hidden behind it yourself, you have used it to
>retaliate against those you felt should be "moderated" (do I have to quote
>some of your emails to me asking for others to be moderated), yet when it
>doesn't turn your way all of a sudden the whole concept is wrong. I am not
>the "moderator" of the group, no one is. There is no official procedure
>for
>changing the FAQ of the group other than it is the responsibility of the
>Group Host to maintain it as the FAQ states.
>|
>If you have suggestions for changes to the FAQ to be made, then by all
>means
>stop criticizing everyone else and make some useful suggestions. These are
>being run on a "trial" basis for one week as I stated. If it doesn't work
>out then we'll change them. Or if someone has a better idea before that,
>we
>can change it. These aren't set in stone, they are my suggestions for
>improving the group.
>
>Grow up Robert and either participate nicely or go play somewhere else.
>Steven M. Ryckman, ASA Group Host
>Email: sryckman@simsware.com
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[Chief]

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:17:15 -0500, G. Morgan <alarmpro@geemail.com> wrote:
no

> Jake -- Is that you?
>
>
>
> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:11:18 -0500, Chief <Chief@ib.asa> wrote:
>
>> Grow up Robert
>> By Steve Ryckman
>>
>> From: Steve Ryckman (sryckman@simsware.com)
>> Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Changes to alt.security.alarms
>>
>> Newsgroups: alt.security.alarms
>> Date: 1998/09/15
>>
>> [This follow-up was posted to alt.security.alarms and a copy was sent to
>> the
>> cited author.]
>>
>> In article RsoL1.94362$Xy6.22604521@news.rdc1.ct.home.com
>> alarmist@Home.com says..
>>
>> Up until this message I have usually honored requests by Steve Ryckman
>> such
>> as "thread closed" and "don't respond to this..." However, this message
>> requires a public response.
>>
>> I would have expected no less from you Robert.
>>
>> It is true this is an "alt" group, along with tens of thousands other
>> groups. Being an "alt" group does not mean the group is open to the
>> whim
>> of
>> anyone whose whim warrants it.
>>
>> You and I have had many conversations over the last couple of years and
>> I
>> can understand where you are coming from. I can also understand that you
>> are
>> the prime reason for many of the problems. You may not provoke it
>> intentionally but the utter hatred for you that many in the group have
>> is
>> the reason I'm having to do this in the first place.
>>
>> I've tried to be patient with you, I've tried to explain the way things
>> should/could work but your goals are always ahead of the group in
>> general.
>>
>> Any newsgroup can take control of it's own destiny, there is no rule
>> that
>> says all alt groups must be total chaos. The "big 8" were created
>> first,
>> then the .alt groups so there could be more laxx areas. The "alt"
>> hierarchy
>> wasn't formed with the intent that all groups in it be totally out of
>> control. At the time the alt hierarchy was created, spam was not a
>> problem
>> and most users of the newsgroups at all were people like myself who had
>> been
>> involved in it for many years who exhibited some restraint in our
>> on-line
>> activities on our own.
>>
>> Read the FAQ Robert. You've hidden behind it yourself, you have used
>> it to
>> retaliate against those you felt should be "moderated" (do I have to
>> quote
>> some of your emails to me asking for others to be moderated), yet when
>> it
>> doesn't turn your way all of a sudden the whole concept is wrong. I am
>> not
>> the "moderator" of the group, no one is. There is no official procedure
>> for
>> changing the FAQ of the group other than it is the responsibility of the
>> Group Host to maintain it as the FAQ states.
>> |
>> If you have suggestions for changes to the FAQ to be made, then by all
>> means
>> stop criticizing everyone else and make some useful suggestions. These
>> are
>> being run on a "trial" basis for one week as I stated. If it doesn't
>> work
>> out then we'll change them. Or if someone has a better idea before
>> that,
>> we
>> can change it. These aren't set in stone, they are my suggestions for
>> improving the group.
>>
>> Grow up Robert and either participate nicely or go play somewhere else.
>> Steven M. Ryckman, ASA Group Host
>> Email: sryckman@simsware.com



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[Chief]

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:11:18 -0500, Chief <Chief@ib.asa> wrote:

> Grow up Robert
> By Steve Ryckman
>
> From: Steve Ryckman (sryckman@simsware.com)
> Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Changes to alt.security.alarms
>
> Newsgroups: alt.security.alarms
> Date: 1998/09/15
>
> [This follow-up was posted to alt.security.alarms and a copy was sent to
> the
> cited author.]
>
> In article RsoL1.94362$Xy6.22604521@news.rdc1.ct.home.com
> alarmist@Home.com says..
>
> Up until this message I have usually honored requests by Steve Ryckman
> such
> as "thread closed" and "don't respond to this..." However, this message
> requires a public response.
>
> I would have expected no less from you Robert.
>
> It is true this is an "alt" group, along with tens of thousands other
> groups. Being an "alt" group does not mean the group is open to the
> whim of
> anyone whose whim warrants it.
>
> You and I have had many conversations over the last couple of years and I
> can understand where you are coming from. I can also understand that you
> are
> the prime reason for many of the problems. You may not provoke it
> intentionally but the utter hatred for you that many in the group have is
> the reason I'm having to do this in the first place.
>
> I've tried to be patient with you, I've tried to explain the way things
> should/could work but your goals are always ahead of the group in
> general.
>
> Any newsgroup can take control of it's own destiny, there is no rule that
> says all alt groups must be total chaos. The "big 8" were created first,
> then the .alt groups so there could be more laxx areas. The "alt"
> hierarchy
> wasn't formed with the intent that all groups in it be totally out of
> control. At the time the alt hierarchy was created, spam was not a
> problem
> and most users of the newsgroups at all were people like myself who had
> been
> involved in it for many years who exhibited some restraint in our on-line
> activities on our own.
>
> Read the FAQ Robert. You've hidden behind it yourself, you have used it
> to
> retaliate against those you felt should be "moderated" (do I have to
> quote
> some of your emails to me asking for others to be moderated), yet when it
> doesn't turn your way all of a sudden the whole concept is wrong. I am
> not
> the "moderator" of the group, no one is. There is no official procedure
> for
> changing the FAQ of the group other than it is the responsibility of the
> Group Host to maintain it as the FAQ states.
> |
> If you have suggestions for changes to the FAQ to be made, then by all
> means
> stop criticizing everyone else and make some useful suggestions. These
> are
> being run on a "trial" basis for one week as I stated. If it doesn't
> work
> out then we'll change them. Or if someone has a better idea before
> that, we
> can change it. These aren't set in stone, they are my suggestions for
> improving the group.
>
> Grow up Robert and either participate nicely or go play somewhere else.
> Steven M. Ryckman, ASA Group Host
> Email: sryckman@simsware.com
>
>



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