NTSC to PAL

[ditmailbox-groups@yahoo.com.au]

Trying to copy an American video cassette - can only get a B&W image.
Is there a way to get colour?
TIA

[atec77]

ditmailbox-groups@yahoo.com.au wrote:
> Trying to copy an American video cassette - can only get a B&W image.
> Is there a way to get colour?
> TIA
>
more information required.

[Tathraman]

Alec - I have an Akai VS-J215EA VCR and a Pansonic NV-HD620MK2 VCR
[it's stereo, the Akai isn't]. I've tried using both as source players
and recorders but can't notice any difference in the result. The Panny
allows NTSC 4.43 and 3.58, I switched back and forth during recording
and playback, but again don't get colour.
Hope this is enough for you.

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Tathraman" <ditmailbox-groups@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> Alec - I have an Akai VS-J215EA VCR and a Pansonic NV-HD620MK2 VCR
> [it's stereo, the Akai isn't]. I've tried using both as source players
> and recorders but can't notice any difference in the result. The Panny
> allows NTSC 4.43 and 3.58, I switched back and forth during recording
> and playback, but again don't get colour.
> Hope this is enough for you.
>

Is it your TV is incapable of correctly displaying an NTSC image?
BTW - the 3.58 MHz setting is the correct one if the tape origin is the USA.

Cheers,
Alan

[Tathraman]

No, Alan, I can play the original American tape fine on my Panasonic TV
Cheers

[Troy McClure]

Most VCRs and DVDRs will play NTSC but not record NTSC. I have a an old
Philips VCR the outputs NTSC in a pseudoNTSC which is actually a PAL format
which allows me to make a colour PAL copy. Philips no longer make VCRs and
as most TVs now display true NTSC I don't think there are any models out
there that put out the pseudo signal.

Your three best options are to find a VCR that records in NTSC, take it to a
professional to have it copied or get (if you don't already have one) a
video capture card for your computer. Most of these will accept signals in
PAL, NTSC, SECAM etc once it is in your computer you can burn to DVD or you
can usually easily select to output as a PAL signal, which you can hook up
to your VCR.
Just a note on this. Some software varies in it's quality; PAL and NTSC run
at different frame rates..... it is possible for the audio track to get out
of sync in some conversion processes.


<ditmailbox-groups@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Trying to copy an American video cassette - can only get a B&W image.
> Is there a way to get colour?
> TIA
>

[mindesign]

My Toshiba records and plays back in all formats and is switchable - as
you have provided no information regarding what equipment you are using, it
is too hard to advise other than to say
"yes"

Steve


<ditmailbox-groups@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Trying to copy an American video cassette - can only get a B&W image.
> Is there a way to get colour?
> TIA
>

[Alan Rutlidge]

"mindesign" <seriph_I_SAID_NO_BLOODY_SPAM@consultant.com> wrote in message
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> My Toshiba records and plays back in all formats and is switchable - as
> you have provided no information regarding what equipment you are using,
> it is too hard to advise other than to say
> "yes"
>
> Steve

Actually Steve he has in a reply a bit further down the thread.
"Akai VS-J215EA VCR and a Pansonic NV-HD620MK2 VCR"

Albeit the Panasonic is AFAIK capable of NTSC recording and playback, the
Akai is probably not capable of either. Hence there lays the problem.

Cheers,
Alan

>
>
> <ditmailbox-groups@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1152751249.408048.322630@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>> Trying to copy an American video cassette - can only get a B&W image.
>> Is there a way to get colour?
>> TIA
>>
>
>

[Bruce Probst]

Tathraman wrote:

> Alec - I have an Akai VS-J215EA VCR and a Pansonic NV-HD620MK2 VCR
> [it's stereo, the Akai isn't]. I've tried using both as source players
> and recorders but can't notice any difference in the result. The Panny
> allows NTSC 4.43 and 3.58, I switched back and forth during recording
> and playback, but again don't get colour.

The Panasonic can't do all the work by itself. If it's transmitting a
pure NTSC signal (which it presumably is), then the Akai needs to be
able to record a pure NTSC signal (which it presumably isn't). Ditto
for the other way around: even if the Panasonic can record pure NTSC,
it's of no use if the Akai is not transmitting pure NTSC.

If this is important to you, I'd recommend dumping the Akai and
replacing it with a VCR of equal or better quality to your Panasonic.
"Able to record and play NTSC" are the features you're specifically
looking for on your new VCR.

Bruce
Melbourne, Australia

[Tathraman]

Well, it's not that important, more, I suppose, an annoyance. I've also
tried to put it on my Omni DW2105 dvd recorder, only to be told 'Paused
for TV system not matching". Is this correctable?
David.

[Bruce Probst]

Tathraman wrote:

> Well, it's not that important, more, I suppose, an annoyance. I've also
> tried to put it on my Omni DW2105 dvd recorder, only to be told 'Paused
> for TV system not matching". Is this correctable?

Sure. If you want to record NTSC, buy equipment that says "can record
NTSC".

Bruce

[Tathraman]

The DVD manual's specifications list under Video Characteristics,
Output
* Composite video- NTSC/PAL system
*S-video - Y output
C output
and under Input - the same.
I connect via the rear panel terminals, red, yellow and white. If I
buy an S-Video cable, would that do the trick?

[Bruce Probst]

Tathraman wrote:

> The DVD manual's specifications list under Video Characteristics,
> Output
> * Composite video- NTSC/PAL system
> *S-video - Y output
> C output
> and under Input - the same.
> I connect via the rear panel terminals, red, yellow and white. If I
> buy an S-Video cable, would that do the trick?

You should certainly be using S-video in lieu of composite (you will
get a better picture) -- assuming of course that you've got an S-Video
connection on the TV as well. However, that won't make any difference
to recording NTSC. Either the device can record an NTSC signal or it
can't. If it can, then feeding it an NTSC signal should be all you
need to do. If you're doing that and it still won't record, that's a
pretty good indicator that it can't.

I've never heard of "Omni" so I'm assuming that it's some cheap'n'nasty
Chinese brand. If that's the case, well, now you know why they're
called cheap'n'nasty.

Bruce

[bassett]

"Bruce Probst" <bruce.probst@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Tathraman wrote:
>
>> The DVD manual's specifications list under Video Characteristics,
>> Output
>> * Composite video- NTSC/PAL system
>> *S-video - Y output
>> C output
>> and under Input - the same.
>> I connect via the rear panel terminals, red, yellow and white. If I
>> buy an S-Video cable, would that do the trick?
>
> You should certainly be using S-video in lieu of composite (you will
> get a better picture) -- assuming of course that you've got an S-Video
> connection on the TV as well. However, that won't make any difference
> to recording NTSC. Either the device can record an NTSC signal or it
> can't. If it can, then feeding it an NTSC signal should be all you
> need to do. If you're doing that and it still won't record, that's a
> pretty good indicator that it can't.
>
> I've never heard of "Omni" so I'm assuming that it's some cheap'n'nasty
> Chinese brand. If that's the case, well, now you know why they're
> called cheap'n'nasty.
>
> Bruce
>

Omni, are a brand retailed by Strathfield car radio,, nothing wrong with
them, there your typicial chinese clone receiver.

As to your recording problem, you will need a NTSC to PAL converter in the
line. Super Alpha, TV Vidio system converter model SB-3600
RCA in and RCA out jaycar used to carry them..
bassett

[Bruce Probst]

bassett wrote:

> Omni, are a brand retailed by Strathfield car radio,, nothing wrong with
> them, there your typicial chinese clone receiver.

As I thought ... cheap and nasty.

> As to your recording problem, you will need a NTSC to PAL converter in the
> line.

If you "need" an NTSC/PAL converter, your interest has gone beyond
casual (and you are almost certainly better off by simply buying
equipment that supports both formats equally -- normally achieved by
not throwing money away on cheap and nasty stuff).

Bruce

[bassett]

"Bruce Probst" <bruce.probst@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> bassett wrote:
>
>> Omni, are a brand retailed by Strathfield car radio,, nothing wrong with
>> them, there your typicial chinese clone receiver.
>
> As I thought ... cheap and nasty.
>
>> As to your recording problem, you will need a NTSC to PAL converter in
>> the
>> line.
>
> If you "need" an NTSC/PAL converter, your interest has gone beyond
> casual (and you are almost certainly better off by simply buying
> equipment that supports both formats equally -- normally achieved by
> not throwing money away on cheap and nasty stuff).
>
> Bruce
>

It's far easer to buy a converter, then to import a DVD player or VCR
that is capable of playing and recording in a NTSC format.

I have a converter here , that will convert from both NTSC formats, and
SeCAM to PAl, it was not cheap, and it does a very good conversion job.

As for Chinese products being cheap and nasty, Most of there products are
well made, in fact 90% of australian products are now made "off-shore"
With regard to cheap,, consider the Shanling valve CD player, very good
value at 10 grand..
bassett

[Bruce Probst]

bassett wrote:

> It's far easer to buy a converter, then to import a DVD player or VCR
> that is capable of playing and recording in a NTSC format.

"Import"? Who's importing anything? I have two VCRs at home that both
play and record NTSC, and they were purchased off the shelf here in
Australia. You need to look at the higher end of the VCR market --
especially if you want Hi-Fi as well -- but there's absolutely no
difficulty in finding them. Nowadays they're considerably cheaper than
when I bought mine, too.

> I have a converter here , that will convert from both NTSC formats, and
> SeCAM to PAl, it was not cheap, and it does a very good conversion job.

I know they're not cheap. There was a time, several years back, when I
was seriously interested in *converting* PAL to NTSC. I eventually
decided that my need did not justify the considerable expense it would
take.

The original poster in this thread said nothing about conversion,
however; he said that he just wants to make an NTSC copy of an NTSC
original. No converter required, and certainly no expensive imported
gear required either. However, something better than a $50 knock-off
Chinese recording device *is* required.

Bruce

[bassett]

"Bruce Probst" <bruce.probst@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> bassett wrote:
>
>> It's far easer to buy a converter, then to import a DVD player or VCR
>> that is capable of playing and recording in a NTSC format.
>
> "Import"? Who's importing anything? I have two VCRs at home that both
> play and record NTSC, and they were purchased off the shelf here in
> Australia. You need to look at the higher end of the VCR market --
> especially if you want Hi-Fi as well -- but there's absolutely no
> difficulty in finding them. Nowadays they're considerably cheaper than
> when I bought mine, too.
> Bruce
>

care to give me a few details, on your NTSC capable VCR recorders.

I think you will find the original poster wanted to copy NTSC format Video
tapes , back to PAL format..
This was the reason for the post title.. NTSC to PAL
bassett

[Bruce Probst]

bassett wrote:

> care to give me a few details, on your NTSC capable VCR recorders.

You're kidding, right? You've never heard of an off-the-shelf VCR that
records NTSC? One's a Sony and the others a Mitsubishi. (I don't
recall exact model numbers; the Sony is much better. Both are about
seven or eight years old now.) Panasonic also make well-regarded
models. These are all Hi-Fi models; NTSC recording capability is less
common on mono-models, but the people who buy mono VCRs probably don't
care.

What *was* hard to find (and may still be; I haven't checked in a long
while) was finding a S-VHS model that could also record NTSC. At the
time I was contemplating purchasing an S-VHS VCR (quite some years ago
now), the only one I could locate that offered that capability was an
*extremely* expensive JVC model.

> I think you will find the original poster wanted to copy NTSC format Video
> tapes , back to PAL format.. This was the reason for the post title.. NTSC to PAL

The discussion moved past that point almost immediately.

Bruce

[Mik Dadik]

> You're kidding, right? You've never heard of an off-the-shelf VCR that
> records NTSC? One's a Sony and the others a Mitsubishi. (I don't
> recall exact model numbers; the Sony is much better. Both are about

I have a SONY ez70 (or is it e70) that records NTSC... I paid big bucks
about 6 years ago... but it definately records NTSC... I wont AFAIK
record NTSC to PAL though....

Cu

[bassett]

"Bruce Probst" <bruce.probst@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> bassett wrote:
>
>> care to give me a few details, on your NTSC capable VCR recorders.
>
> You're kidding, right? You've never heard of an off-the-shelf VCR that
> records NTSC? One's a Sony and the others a Mitsubishi. (I don't
> recall exact model numbers; the Sony is much better. Both are about
> seven or eight years old now.) Panasonic also make well-regarded
> models. These are all Hi-Fi models; NTSC recording capability is less
> common on mono-models, but the people who buy mono VCRs probably don't
> care.
>
> What *was* hard to find (and may still be; I haven't checked in a long
> while) was finding a S-VHS model that could also record NTSC. At the
> time I was contemplating purchasing an S-VHS VCR (quite some years ago
> now), the only one I could locate that offered that capability was an
> *extremely* expensive JVC model.
>
>> I think you will find the original poster wanted to copy NTSC format
>> Video
>> tapes , back to PAL format.. This was the reason for the post title..
>> NTSC to PAL
>
> The discussion moved past that point almost immediately.
>
> Bruce
>

What you ment to say was that your VCR will record in a multi- format
configuration, be it a NTSC or PAL scorce,, BUT it will not give you a
NTSC format recording, it simply records back in a PAL format. and there
s no control over the format recorded. i.e. you are unable to toggle
between the two formats. [recorded]

What the original poster wanted was a way of recording an NTSC format
tape, via a NTSC VCR, and making copies to PAL format.
and when you use a multi-format player, [which they all are ] there is no
control over the colour balance, as in the controls on a NTSC only VCR or
TV set.
To wit, Sharp, Contrast, Bright, Colour, Tint, Text Contrast, Text
Brightness.

What I suggested was he play his tapes via a NTSC player, to retain the
colour contrasts, something that you need to do to retain the colour
balance, then put the NTSC signal through a NTSC // PAL converter, and then
record the signal through a PAL VCR. The amount of colour balance could
be controlled by the quality of the converter, The cheaper ones simply
convert, the better one's allow for Red / Blue / yellow to be adjusted. i.e.
if you reduce the red, you get green. Blah.Blah.

And no I,m not kidding.
bassett

[bassett]

"Mik Dadik" <monkeymik@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>> You're kidding, right? You've never heard of an off-the-shelf VCR that
>> records NTSC? One's a Sony and the others a Mitsubishi. (I don't
>> recall exact model numbers; the Sony is much better. Both are about
>
> I have a SONY ez70 (or is it e70) that records NTSC... I paid big bucks
> about 6 years ago... but it definately records NTSC... I wont AFAIK record
> NTSC to PAL though....

> Cu

Thank's for that, I don't think the other poster has any idea, what he's on
about.. And you have also endorsed, my thoughts , that the outgoing signal
can't be switched to another format, in the same recorder.

This is why I suggested a converter.

At one time I did consider importing a NTSC model from the States, but as
you will know there was problems with voltage's , and I was unaware of the
Sony.
bassett

[Bruce Probst]

bassett wrote:

> What you ment to say was that your VCR will record in a multi- format
> configuration, be it a NTSC or PAL scorce

Yes. In fact, that is what I *did* say, several times. For some
reason you found that impossible to believe.

>,, BUT it will not give you a
> NTSC format recording, it simply records back in a PAL format.

Pardon?

If I have a NTSC source, and record it, I end up with an NTSC copy. No
PAL involved; no conversion of any sort involved. Output equals input.

>no control over the format recorded. i.e. you are unable to toggle
> between the two formats. [recorded]

Correct. I never claimed otherwise.

> And no I,m not kidding.

Ah. Well, feel free to rejoin the conversation when you become better
informed.

Bruce

[Alan Rutlidge]

"bassett" <bassett@bassettskennel.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mik Dadik" <monkeymik@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:44be09db_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>
>>> You're kidding, right? You've never heard of an off-the-shelf VCR that
>>> records NTSC? One's a Sony and the others a Mitsubishi. (I don't
>>> recall exact model numbers; the Sony is much better. Both are about
>>
>> I have a SONY ez70 (or is it e70) that records NTSC... I paid big bucks
>> about 6 years ago... but it definately records NTSC... I wont AFAIK
>> record NTSC to PAL though....
>
>> Cu
>
> Thank's for that, I don't think the other poster has any idea, what he's
> on about.. And you have also endorsed, my thoughts , that the outgoing
> signal can't be switched to another format, in the same recorder.
>
> This is why I suggested a converter.
>
> At one time I did consider importing a NTSC model from the States, but as
> you will know there was problems with voltage's , and I was unaware of
> the Sony.
> bassett
>

There is another Sony VHS machine that will record and replay in NTSC as
well as PAL.
It's the SLV-X822. I've got one. :-)

Cheers,
Alan

[bassett]

"Bruce Probst" <bruce.probst@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> bassett wrote:
>
>> What you ment to say was that your VCR will record in a multi-
>> format configuration, be it a NTSC or PAL scorce
>
> Yes. In fact, that is what I *did* say, several times. For some
> reason you found that impossible to believe.

** you did not speak of multi-format , you stated that NTSC recording
VCR's where available, quote,, You've never heard of an off-the-shelf VCR
that records NTSC? One's a Sony and the others a Mitsubishi. (I don't
recall exact model numbers; the Sony is much better. unquote.

You failed to comment on the output of such machines.. Now you say it's
multi format, input, which always output in PAL, which is not what the
orignal poster wanted..

>>,, BUT it will not give you a
>> NTSC format recording, it simply records back in a PAL format.
>
> Pardon?
>
> If I have a NTSC source, and record it, I end up with an NTSC copy. >No
> PAL involved; no conversion of any sort involved. Output equals >input.

** That is simply an NTSC format VCR, which will not allow our friend to
swap the format to PAL, in the copy, which is what he wants.
As I said he will need to feed the NTSC signal into a converter before it
can record in PAL format.
You seem to think that your VCR, will play a NTSC tape and reproduce the
output in PAL which is incorrect..

>>no control over the format recorded. i.e. you are unable to toggle
>> between the two formats. [recorded]
>
> Correct. I never claimed otherwise.

** yes you did..
>
>> And no I,m not kidding.
>
> Ah. Well, feel free to rejoin the conversation when you become better
> informed.
>
> Bruce

** There is nothing wrong with my information,, I am doing this all the
time, via satellite feeds, I can also convert SECAM, to NTSC or PAL .
or the reverse, if needed.
I can also produce a DVD from a vidio tape, in PAL or NTSC.

I also have a PAL VCR, that will record or playback in 5.1 audio, made my
Akai.. Which would seem to be a one off.

So I think I do know what I,m on about.
bassett