Re: replace XTAL with Crystal?

[Geoff]

Tek wrote:
> I want to change the clock value in a device.
> I know the unit can handle it but I wanted to ask if anyone know if
> there will be an issue.
> The current clock generator is an Xtal... I cannot find the correct
> frequency XTAL but crystals are easy to get.
>
> thanks for any advice!

If you don't know that xtal is a common abbreviation for crytal, then by
what basis have you decided that you want to change it, that the unit can
'handle it', and you have the technical skill to do it ?

geoff

[Daniel]

Geoff wrote:
> Tek wrote:
>> I want to change the clock value in a device.
>> I know the unit can handle it but I wanted to ask if anyone know if
>> there will be an issue.
>> The current clock generator is an Xtal... I cannot find the correct
>> frequency XTAL but crystals are easy to get.
>>
>> thanks for any advice!
>
> If you don't know that xtal is a common abbreviation for crytal, then by
> what basis have you decided that you want to change it, that the unit can
> 'handle it', and you have the technical skill to do it ?
>
> geoff
>
>

Good question, Geoff, but what's more worrying is that the places Tek is
looking for XTALs/Crystals don't seem to indicate that they are the same
thing!

Daniel

*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***

[E. Lee Dickinson]

"Daniel" <dxmm@nospam.albury.net.au> wrote:

> Good question, Geoff, but what's more worrying is that the places Tek is
> looking for XTALs/Crystals don't seem to indicate that they are the same
> thing!

Anectdote:

I was working on my mother's house, and while she was at the store I told
her we needed, among other things, a 5lb box of 16 penny nails. The guy
working in the fastner aisle informed her, "We don't cary penny nails, but
we do have 16d nails. Would that work?" He pronounced the "D."

[Don Bowey]

On 5/4/06 5:51 PM, in article 445a9430$0$29303$88260bb3@free.teranews.com,
"Daniel" <dxmm@nospam.albury.net.au> wrote:

> Geoff wrote:
>> Tek wrote:
>>> I want to change the clock value in a device.
>>> I know the unit can handle it but I wanted to ask if anyone know if
>>> there will be an issue.
>>> The current clock generator is an Xtal... I cannot find the correct
>>> frequency XTAL but crystals are easy to get.
>>>
>>> thanks for any advice!
>>
>> If you don't know that xtal is a common abbreviation for crytal, then by
>> what basis have you decided that you want to change it, that the unit can
>> 'handle it', and you have the technical skill to do it ?
>>
>> geoff
>>
>>
>
> Good question, Geoff, but what's more worrying is that the places Tek is
> looking for XTALs/Crystals don't seem to indicate that they are the same
> thing!

Your observation is pointless; XTAL and crystal *are* the same.

On the other hand, you can buy a xtal/crystal oscillator that is more than
just the xtal/crystal.



>
> Daniel
>
> *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***

[Daniel]

Don Bowey wrote:
> On 5/4/06 5:51 PM, in article 445a9430$0$29303$88260bb3@free.teranews.com,
> "Daniel" <dxmm@nospam.albury.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Geoff wrote:
>>> Tek wrote:
>>>> I want to change the clock value in a device.
>>>> I know the unit can handle it but I wanted to ask if anyone know if
>>>> there will be an issue.
>>>> The current clock generator is an Xtal... I cannot find the correct
>>>> frequency XTAL but crystals are easy to get.
>>>>
>>>> thanks for any advice!
>>> If you don't know that xtal is a common abbreviation for crytal, then by
>>> what basis have you decided that you want to change it, that the unit can
>>> 'handle it', and you have the technical skill to do it ?
>>>
>>> geoff
>>>
>>>
>> Good question, Geoff, but what's more worrying is that the places Tek is
>> looking for XTALs/Crystals don't seem to indicate that they are the same
>> thing!
>
> Your observation is pointless; XTAL and crystal *are* the same.
>

My point is I would hope the places Tek is buying his gear from SHOULD
know Xtal and Crystal ARE the same thing, or is he just dealing with
Sales people that have no idea what they're selling?

> On the other hand, you can buy a xtal/crystal oscillator that is more than
> just the xtal/crystal.

Yes, a xtal/crystal oscillator is a circuit which, amongst other
components, contains a xtal/crystal. Your point being......?

Daniel

*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Thu, 04 May 2006 20:57:39 -0700, the renowned Don Bowey
<dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:

>On 5/4/06 5:51 PM, in article 445a9430$0$29303$88260bb3@free.teranews.com,
>"Daniel" <dxmm@nospam.albury.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Geoff wrote:
>>> Tek wrote:
>>>> I want to change the clock value in a device.
>>>> I know the unit can handle it but I wanted to ask if anyone know if
>>>> there will be an issue.
>>>> The current clock generator is an Xtal... I cannot find the correct
>>>> frequency XTAL but crystals are easy to get.
>>>>
>>>> thanks for any advice!
>>>
>>> If you don't know that xtal is a common abbreviation for crytal, then by
>>> what basis have you decided that you want to change it, that the unit can
>>> 'handle it', and you have the technical skill to do it ?
>>>
>>> geoff
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Good question, Geoff, but what's more worrying is that the places Tek is
>> looking for XTALs/Crystals don't seem to indicate that they are the same
>> thing!
>
>Your observation is pointless; XTAL and crystal *are* the same.
>
>On the other hand, you can buy a xtal/crystal oscillator that is more than
>just the xtal/crystal.

Could you subsitute an OSC?


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

[Lostgallifreyan]

Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in
news:7cbm521n17fd2t6ui424frqslevfrmrekp@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 04 May 2006 20:57:39 -0700, the renowned Don Bowey
> <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On 5/4/06 5:51 PM, in article
>>445a9430$0$29303$88260bb3@free.teranews.com, "Daniel"
>><dxmm@nospam.albury.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Geoff wrote:
>>>> Tek wrote:
>>>>> I want to change the clock value in a device.
>>>>> I know the unit can handle it but I wanted to ask if anyone know
>>>>> if there will be an issue.
>>>>> The current clock generator is an Xtal... I cannot find the
>>>>> correct frequency XTAL but crystals are easy to get.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for any advice!
>>>>
>>>> If you don't know that xtal is a common abbreviation for crytal,
>>>> then by what basis have you decided that you want to change it,
>>>> that the unit can 'handle it', and you have the technical skill to
>>>> do it ?
>>>>
>>>> geoff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good question, Geoff, but what's more worrying is that the places
>>> Tek is looking for XTALs/Crystals don't seem to indicate that they
>>> are the same thing!
>>
>>Your observation is pointless; XTAL and crystal *are* the same.
>>
>>On the other hand, you can buy a xtal/crystal oscillator that is more
>>than just the xtal/crystal.
>
> Could you subsitute an OSC?
>
>
> Best regards,
> Spehro Pefhany

Isn't OSC just short for Oscillator and thus horribly unspecific? In
practise it might mean they are using a plastic encapsulated ceramic
(probably piezo electric) element instead of a canned crystal. Maybe less
accurate, but I don't know.

[Boris Mohar]

On Fri, 05 May 2006 06:49:03 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

>On Thu, 04 May 2006 20:57:39 -0700, the renowned Don Bowey
><dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On 5/4/06 5:51 PM, in article 445a9430$0$29303$88260bb3@free.teranews.com,
>>"Daniel" <dxmm@nospam.albury.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Geoff wrote:
>>>> Tek wrote:
>>>>> I want to change the clock value in a device.
>>>>> I know the unit can handle it but I wanted to ask if anyone know if
>>>>> there will be an issue.
>>>>> The current clock generator is an Xtal... I cannot find the correct
>>>>> frequency XTAL but crystals are easy to get.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for any advice!
>>>>
>>>> If you don't know that xtal is a common abbreviation for crytal, then by
>>>> what basis have you decided that you want to change it, that the unit can
>>>> 'handle it', and you have the technical skill to do it ?
>>>>
>>>> geoff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good question, Geoff, but what's more worrying is that the places Tek is
>>> looking for XTALs/Crystals don't seem to indicate that they are the same
>>> thing!
>>
>>Your observation is pointless; XTAL and crystal *are* the same.
>>
>>On the other hand, you can buy a xtal/crystal oscillator that is more than
>>just the xtal/crystal.
>
>Could you subsitute an OSC?
>
>
>Best regards,
>Spehro Pefhany

Y?

--

Boris Mohar

[Don Bowey]

On 5/5/06 3:49 AM, in article 7cbm521n17fd2t6ui424frqslevfrmrekp@4ax.com,
"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

> On Thu, 04 May 2006 20:57:39 -0700, the renowned Don Bowey
> <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On 5/4/06 5:51 PM, in article 445a9430$0$29303$88260bb3@free.teranews.com,
>> "Daniel" <dxmm@nospam.albury.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Geoff wrote:
>>>> Tek wrote:
>>>>> I want to change the clock value in a device.
>>>>> I know the unit can handle it but I wanted to ask if anyone know if
>>>>> there will be an issue.
>>>>> The current clock generator is an Xtal... I cannot find the correct
>>>>> frequency XTAL but crystals are easy to get.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for any advice!
>>>>
>>>> If you don't know that xtal is a common abbreviation for crytal, then by
>>>> what basis have you decided that you want to change it, that the unit can
>>>> 'handle it', and you have the technical skill to do it ?
>>>>
>>>> geoff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good question, Geoff, but what's more worrying is that the places Tek is
>>> looking for XTALs/Crystals don't seem to indicate that they are the same
>>> thing!
>>
>> Your observation is pointless; XTAL and crystal *are* the same.
>>
>> On the other hand, you can buy a xtal/crystal oscillator that is more than
>> just the xtal/crystal.
>
> Could you subsitute an OSC?
>
>
> Best regards,
> Spehro Pefhany

Substitute it for what?

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Fri, 05 May 2006 09:03:21 -0400, the renowned Boris Mohar
<borism_-void-_@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On Fri, 05 May 2006 06:49:03 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
><speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 04 May 2006 20:57:39 -0700, the renowned Don Bowey
>><dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 5/4/06 5:51 PM, in article 445a9430$0$29303$88260bb3@free.teranews.com,
>>>"Daniel" <dxmm@nospam.albury.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Geoff wrote:
>>>>> Tek wrote:
>>>>>> I want to change the clock value in a device.
>>>>>> I know the unit can handle it but I wanted to ask if anyone know if
>>>>>> there will be an issue.
>>>>>> The current clock generator is an Xtal... I cannot find the correct
>>>>>> frequency XTAL but crystals are easy to get.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks for any advice!
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't know that xtal is a common abbreviation for crytal, then by
>>>>> what basis have you decided that you want to change it, that the unit can
>>>>> 'handle it', and you have the technical skill to do it ?
>>>>>
>>>>> geoff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good question, Geoff, but what's more worrying is that the places Tek is
>>>> looking for XTALs/Crystals don't seem to indicate that they are the same
>>>> thing!
>>>
>>>Your observation is pointless; XTAL and crystal *are* the same.
>>>
>>>On the other hand, you can buy a xtal/crystal oscillator that is more than
>>>just the xtal/crystal.
>>
>>Could you subsitute an OSC?
>>
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Spehro Pefhany
>
>Y?

/Y?


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

[JeffM]

Tek wrote:
>>>I cannot find the correct frequency XTAL
>>>but crystals are easy to get.

Geoff wrote:
>>If you don't know that xtal is a common abbreviation for crytal,
>>then by what basis have you decided that you want to change it,
>>that the unit can 'handle it', and you have the technical skill to do it ?

Daniel wrote:
>Good question, Geoff, but what's more worrying
>is that the places Tek is looking for XTALs/Crystals
>don't seem to indicate that they are the same thing!

What's REALLY fascinating
is that Geoff dug back just shy of 2 years
to find a post to which he would respond.
OP: May 8 2004
If Tek is still looking, it must not be a high priority.

Also worth noting that alt.electronics.analog was never a valid group.

[AZWoody]

Isn't there a manufacturer/PN on the case of the device that's to be
replaced?

Seems a simple search will determine what this part really is...

"Don Bowey" <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:C080B919.3131E%dbowey@comcast.net...
> On 5/5/06 3:49 AM, in article 7cbm521n17fd2t6ui424frqslevfrmrekp@4ax.com,
> "Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 04 May 2006 20:57:39 -0700, the renowned Don Bowey
> > <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/4/06 5:51 PM, in article
445a9430$0$29303$88260bb3@free.teranews.com,
> >> "Daniel" <dxmm@nospam.albury.net.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Geoff wrote:
> >>>> Tek wrote:
> >>>>> I want to change the clock value in a device.
> >>>>> I know the unit can handle it but I wanted to ask if anyone know if
> >>>>> there will be an issue.
> >>>>> The current clock generator is an Xtal... I cannot find the correct
> >>>>> frequency XTAL but crystals are easy to get.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thanks for any advice!
> >>>>
> >>>> If you don't know that xtal is a common abbreviation for crytal, then
by
> >>>> what basis have you decided that you want to change it, that the unit
can
> >>>> 'handle it', and you have the technical skill to do it ?
> >>>>
> >>>> geoff
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Good question, Geoff, but what's more worrying is that the places Tek
is
> >>> looking for XTALs/Crystals don't seem to indicate that they are the
same
> >>> thing!
> >>
> >> Your observation is pointless; XTAL and crystal *are* the same.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, you can buy a xtal/crystal oscillator that is more
than
> >> just the xtal/crystal.
> >
> > Could you subsitute an OSC?
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Spehro Pefhany
>
> Substitute it for what?
>
>

[Lostgallifreyan]

"JeffM" <jeffm_@email.com> wrote in
news:1146857901.676148.86890@i39g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com:

> Tek wrote:
>>>>I cannot find the correct frequency XTAL
>>>>but crystals are easy to get.
>
> Geoff wrote:
>>>If you don't know that xtal is a common abbreviation for crytal,
>>>then by what basis have you decided that you want to change it,
>>>that the unit can 'handle it', and you have the technical skill to do
>>>it ?
>
> Daniel wrote:
>>Good question, Geoff, but what's more worrying
>>is that the places Tek is looking for XTALs/Crystals
>>don't seem to indicate that they are the same thing!
>
> What's REALLY fascinating
> is that Geoff dug back just shy of 2 years
> to find a post to which he would respond.
> OP: May 8 2004
> If Tek is still looking, it must not be a high priority.
>
> Also worth noting that alt.electronics.analog was never a valid group.
>
>

Great, does this mean we could debate my want of a nice 8-pin DIL standard
IC for converting either frequency (or voltage representing it) to voltage
representing pitch? (Log conversion). :) I'm still hoping that thread of
mine, still hopefully current, might get some more suggestions for this..

(In group: sci.electronics.components btw, I don't like to crosspost.)

[Backfire Bob]

"AZWoody" <Reply@here.not.email> wrote in message
news:WQT6g.34$WQ2.2533@news.uswest.net...
> Isn't there a manufacturer/PN on the case of the device that's to be
> replaced?
>
Why bother! this poor schlunk cant figure out which end of the soldering
iron to hold
until its too late....
He is going to "Soup it up" with a different XTAL hahahaha.....Righty-Oh!

[Michael A. Terrell]

Backfire Bob wrote:
>
> "AZWoody" <Reply@here.not.email> wrote in message
> news:WQT6g.34$WQ2.2533@news.uswest.net...
> > Isn't there a manufacturer/PN on the case of the device that's to be
> > replaced?
> >
> Why bother! this poor schlunk cant figure out which end of the soldering
> iron to hold
> until its too late....
> He is going to "Soup it up" with a different XTAL hahahaha.....Righty-Oh!


People did it with early personal computers to speed them up. As
long as only the CPU clock is changed, and has no effect on other system
timing, and the change is small it would work, but it is likely just a
waste of time and effort like the ones who converted a 10 MHz computer
to 12 MHz.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

[Michael A. Terrell]

JeffM wrote:
>
> Also worth noting that alt.electronics.analog was never a valid group.


It may be valid on a few servers but not be an official newsgroup
that went through the proper creation process.

On the other hand, news:alt.electronics.analog.vlsi is a valid group.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida