Re: Receiver Recommendation

"UnionPac2004" <unionpac2004@aol.com> wrote in message
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> steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
>
>
> >"UnionPac2004" <unionpac2004@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:20041202222954.06204.00000818@mb-m21.aol.com...
> >> steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >"UnionPac2004" <unionpac2004@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:20041110211047.23249.00000494@mb-m03.aol.com...
> >> >> steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> <snip>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >and my
> >> >> >current system prob cost more than "david" makes in a year, what
the
> >hell
> >> >do
> >> >> >I know?
> >> >> >I'm only watching sheryl crow in high def on 3 grand worth of B&W
> >> >> >LOUDSPEAKERS and a panny tv, piped through a 1500 dollar integra
with
> >the
> >> >> >source being my dish 800 receiver (which I installed BTW)
> >> >>
> >> >> Let me preface my statements by saying that I am in no way taking
sides
> >on
> >> >this
> >> >> issue. I am merely making an observation.
> >> >>
> >> >> There is absolutely no correlation between the price of one's
system,
> >and
> >> >the
> >> >> amount of knowledge about electronics said owner may or may not
> >possess.
> >> >For
> >> >> example, I have invested $3000+ in Paradigm Reference speakers
> >> >> (L&R mains, +sub), and I don't know jack about electronics...
> >> >
> >> >No but you need to be able to do more than change the batteries in
your
> >> >remote to install your own satellite dish
> >>
> >> BFD. I installed MY satellite dish too. Not exactly rocket science,
Mr.
> >> Wizard...
> >>
> >> >Or build a three stage transistor amplifier
> >>
> >> Your OWN design, from scratch? Or a kit?
> >>
> >> >Or take a TV apart and put it back together(dont know if I can still
do
> >that
> >> >though, its been awhile)
> >> >Or how about taking apart a yamaha receiver and finding out that a
> >leaking
> >> >capacitor is shorting to ground, making it go into protection mode?
> >>
> >> Yeah, it's REAL difficult to spot a leaking cap.
> >>
> >> Did I ever claim that your electronics knowledge was lacking? I merely
> >pointed
> >> out that having a system that "prob cost more than 'david' makes in a
> >year"
> >> isn't necessarily an indication of electronics knowledge, which is
exactly
> >what
> >> your statement inferred, the way it was worded.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >AND you could have gotten a much better deal on a set of B&W
602S2'S
> >,
> >> >I have those with a asw2500 sub, next time shop around
> >>
> >> And then of course, being MR. KNOW IT ALL, you decide to trash MY
> >selection of
> >> speakers, because of course you possess that SUPERIOR ELECTRONICS
> >INTELLECT. I
> >> don't know what YOU use to decide what speakers to purchase, but most
> >folks use
> >> their EARS, and buy what SOUNDS GOOD TO THEM (which is a TOTALLY
> >SUBJECTIVE
> >> CHOICE). The shop I purchased my Paradigms from was also a B&W dealer,
> >and I
> >> auditioned both brands. But I made the WRONG DECISION because I didn't
> >> purchase B&W 602s2's and an asw2500 subwoofer, as you did. Well, I
wish
> >you
> >> would've gotten here a few years earlier. That way we ALL would've
known
> >to
> >> buy what STEVE bought, because that's OBVIOUSLY the only intelligent
> >decision
> >> when it comes to speakers!
> >>
> >> >Really though, when you tell a third party to ignore the advice of a
> >second
> >> >party out of sheer malice, not knowing ANYTHING about the second
party,
> >how
> >> >screwed up is that?
> >>
> >> No, the question is: HOW SCREWED UP ARE YOU????????????????????????
> >>
> >> I NEVER told a third party to ignore the advice of a second party!
REREAD
> >MY
> >> STATEMENT! And where did MALICE enter the picture????????????????? I
> >said
> >> NOTHING which should have caused you to jump down my throat, or trash
my
> >choice
> >> of speakers! Where exactly do you come up with this stuff??????
> >>
> >>
> >> >I was just demonstrating that I did know enough to put together a
decent
> >> >system at a fair price.
> >>
> >> Well, then perhaps you should word your statements more carefully,
because
> >that
> >> is NOT the way it came across.
> >>
> >> >You dont actually think my system is expensive, do
> >> >you?
> >>
> >> Whether I think it's expensive isn't the point. You make it sound like
it
> >is,
> >> and that everybody should be impressed with your electronics knowledge
for
> >> spending x amount of dollars. The way you worded your statement made
it
> >sound
> >> like you were superior because you spent more on your system than
"david"
> >> probably makes in a year.
> >>
> >> >Thats not my point, my point is that I can put together an INEXPENSIVE
> >> >system and still have a pretty good one.
> >>
> >> I have no problem with that, but as I've said before, perhaps you
should
> >take
> >> care in wording your statements to make your point clear, instead of
> >sounding
> >> so high and mighty.
> >>
> >> >Go to the next C.E.D.A and take a look at what the installers are
> >putting
> >> >together. Now, some of those are REAL home theaters, not mass market
> >stuff
> >> >cobbled together by us working folks.
> >>
> >> Yes, because of course, only Steve the electronics expert can determine
> >> quality.
> >>
> >> >AND the fact that I know that says vollumes about what I do know about
> >home
> >> >theater
> >>
> >> You're a legend in your own mind.
> >>
> >> >But I really dont care if anybody follows my advice or not, find out
the
> >> >hard way like I did,
> >>
> >> But how did you find out the hard way, what with being the electronics
> >guru? I
> >> find that hard to believe.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >I post advice for those who might get something out of
> >> >it,
> >>
> >> And it's good of you to do that, and I commend you for doing so...
> >>
> >> >if you dont think I know anything, then find, find out for yourself.
> >>
> >> I never claimed that you don't know anything. You know more than some,
> >and
> >> less than others. But MOST of us try to make sure of our facts instead
of
> >> talking out of our asses. That's why you put some folks off when you
post
> >> here. I wasn't one of them until your ignorant rant about what I said.
> >Have a
> >> nice day!
> >> Jeff
> >> P.S. There's no such thing as an S-VHS cable, Mr. Wizard (LMAO)
> >More sematics, what a dumbass, you really dont have any complaint if all
you
> >can come up with is that lame bullshit, what, are you a lawyer or
something?
> >Or A LIBARIAN.
> >So tell ME, mr wizard, what do you use for a connection to the svhs jack
on
> >your equipment?(Oh thats right, they dont have those on clock radios)
>
> Find me a jack on a piece of equipment that says "svhs", dumbass. Take a
> picture of it and email it to me. Fuck off, you uneducated ignorant
clown.
> Come back when you actually know something about electronics. You
constantly
> spew erroneous information, then get pissed when people try to explain
your
> error. At least when I make a mistake when I post, I will thank the folks
that
> took the time to correct me. All you can do is get defensive and always
claim
> that you're right. As I said before, you're a legend in your own mind.
But
> only yours.
> I've never seen anyone so lacking in knowledge with such an inflated ego.
Like
> Clint Eastwood once said:
>
> A man's got to know his limitations.
> YEAH, and I bet your inflatable doll knows yours
What a tool.
S-video cables are called everything from s-vhs to svhs to s-video, and if
you werent a wet behind the ears pup who doesnt know shit from shinola you'd
know that.
I've been hooking together systems since before you were a gleam in your
moms customers eye
Advocating a certain type of speaker isnt attacking another, from that I
have heard para-what-sis are perfectly nice speakers but having never heard
a pair I really couldnt tell you.
And yeah, there are better speakers than beemers, but for the price you wont
beat them. The 3,000$ maggies were exquisite, as were the 77,000 utopia
grands, but I thought this was a group for mass market home theater advice
What "jeff" needs to do is get the chip off of his shoulder, and the corncob
out of his ass
Your the type of weenie who knows the meaning of a lot of words and
understands absolutely nothing about what they describe
I never said that I was some kind of electronics wizard and if you inferred
that thats YOUR problem, numnutz.
I do know more than you, but than again so does a trained seal
> Jeff
>

[1shado1@sbcglobal.net]

steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
> "UnionPac2004" <unionpac2004@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20041220203312.06368.00001963@mb-m18.aol.com...
> > steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >"UnionPac2004" <unionpac2004@aol.com> wrote in message
> > >news:20041202222954.06204.00000818@mb-m21.aol.com...
> > >> steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >"UnionPac2004" <unionpac2004@aol.com> wrote in message
> > >> >news:20041110211047.23249.00000494@mb-m03.aol.com...
> > >> >> steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> <snip>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >and my
> > >> >> >current system prob cost more than "david" makes in a year,
what
> the
> > >hell
> > >> >do
> > >> >> >I know?
> > >> >> >I'm only watching sheryl crow in high def on 3 grand worth
of B&W
> > >> >> >LOUDSPEAKERS and a panny tv, piped through a 1500 dollar
integra
> with
> > >the
> > >> >> >source being my dish 800 receiver (which I installed BTW)
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Let me preface my statements by saying that I am in no way
taking
> sides
> > >on
> > >> >this
> > >> >> issue. I am merely making an observation.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> There is absolutely no correlation between the price of one's
> system,
> > >and
> > >> >the
> > >> >> amount of knowledge about electronics said owner may or may
not
> > >possess.
> > >> >For
> > >> >> example, I have invested $3000+ in Paradigm Reference
speakers
> > >> >> (L&R mains, +sub), and I don't know jack about electronics...
> > >> >
> > >> >No but you need to be able to do more than change the batteries
in
> your
> > >> >remote to install your own satellite dish
> > >>
> > >> BFD. I installed MY satellite dish too. Not exactly rocket
science,
> Mr.
> > >> Wizard...
> > >>
> > >> >Or build a three stage transistor amplifier
> > >>
> > >> Your OWN design, from scratch? Or a kit?
> > >>
> > >> >Or take a TV apart and put it back together(dont know if I can
still
> do
> > >that
> > >> >though, its been awhile)
> > >> >Or how about taking apart a yamaha receiver and finding out
that a
> > >leaking
> > >> >capacitor is shorting to ground, making it go into protection
mode?
> > >>
> > >> Yeah, it's REAL difficult to spot a leaking cap.
> > >>
> > >> Did I ever claim that your electronics knowledge was lacking? I
merely
> > >pointed
> > >> out that having a system that "prob cost more than 'david' makes
in a
> > >year"
> > >> isn't necessarily an indication of electronics knowledge, which
is
> exactly
> > >what
> > >> your statement inferred, the way it was worded.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >AND you could have gotten a much better deal on a set of
B&W
> 602S2'S
> > >,
> > >> >I have those with a asw2500 sub, next time shop around
> > >>
> > >> And then of course, being MR. KNOW IT ALL, you decide to trash
MY
> > >selection of
> > >> speakers, because of course you possess that SUPERIOR
ELECTRONICS
> > >INTELLECT. I
> > >> don't know what YOU use to decide what speakers to purchase, but
most
> > >folks use
> > >> their EARS, and buy what SOUNDS GOOD TO THEM (which is a TOTALLY
> > >SUBJECTIVE
> > >> CHOICE). The shop I purchased my Paradigms from was also a B&W
dealer,
> > >and I
> > >> auditioned both brands. But I made the WRONG DECISION because I
didn't
> > >> purchase B&W 602s2's and an asw2500 subwoofer, as you did.
Well, I
> wish
> > >you
> > >> would've gotten here a few years earlier. That way we ALL
would've
> known
> > >to
> > >> buy what STEVE bought, because that's OBVIOUSLY the only
intelligent
> > >decision
> > >> when it comes to speakers!
> > >>
> > >> >Really though, when you tell a third party to ignore the advice
of a
> > >second
> > >> >party out of sheer malice, not knowing ANYTHING about the
second
> party,
> > >how
> > >> >screwed up is that?
> > >>
> > >> No, the question is: HOW SCREWED UP ARE
YOU????????????????????????
> > >>
> > >> I NEVER told a third party to ignore the advice of a second
party!
> REREAD
> > >MY
> > >> STATEMENT! And where did MALICE enter the
picture????????????????? I
> > >said
> > >> NOTHING which should have caused you to jump down my throat, or
trash
> my
> > >choice
> > >> of speakers! Where exactly do you come up with this
stuff??????
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >I was just demonstrating that I did know enough to put together
a
> decent
> > >> >system at a fair price.
> > >>
> > >> Well, then perhaps you should word your statements more
carefully,
> because
> > >that
> > >> is NOT the way it came across.
> > >>
> > >> >You dont actually think my system is expensive, do
> > >> >you?
> > >>
> > >> Whether I think it's expensive isn't the point. You make it
sound like
> it
> > >is,
> > >> and that everybody should be impressed with your electronics
knowledge
> for
> > >> spending x amount of dollars. The way you worded your statement
made
> it
> > >sound
> > >> like you were superior because you spent more on your system
than
> "david"
> > >> probably makes in a year.
> > >>
> > >> >Thats not my point, my point is that I can put together an
INEXPENSIVE
> > >> >system and still have a pretty good one.
> > >>
> > >> I have no problem with that, but as I've said before, perhaps
you
> should
> > >take
> > >> care in wording your statements to make your point clear,
instead of
> > >sounding
> > >> so high and mighty.
> > >>
> > >> >Go to the next C.E.D.A and take a look at what the installers
are
> > >putting
> > >> >together. Now, some of those are REAL home theaters, not mass
market
> > >stuff
> > >> >cobbled together by us working folks.
> > >>
> > >> Yes, because of course, only Steve the electronics expert can
determine
> > >> quality.
> > >>
> > >> >AND the fact that I know that says vollumes about what I do
know about
> > >home
> > >> >theater
> > >>
> > >> You're a legend in your own mind.
> > >>
> > >> >But I really dont care if anybody follows my advice or not,
find out
> the
> > >> >hard way like I did,
> > >>
> > >> But how did you find out the hard way, what with being the
electronics
> > >guru? I
> > >> find that hard to believe.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >I post advice for those who might get something out of
> > >> >it,
> > >>
> > >> And it's good of you to do that, and I commend you for doing
so...
> > >>
> > >> >if you dont think I know anything, then find, find out for
yourself.
> > >>
> > >> I never claimed that you don't know anything. You know more
than some,
> > >and
> > >> less than others. But MOST of us try to make sure of our facts
instead
> of
> > >> talking out of our asses. That's why you put some folks off
when you
> post
> > >> here. I wasn't one of them until your ignorant rant about what
I said.
> > >Have a
> > >> nice day!
> > >> Jeff
> > >> P.S. There's no such thing as an S-VHS cable, Mr. Wizard (LMAO)
> > >More sematics, what a dumbass, you really dont have any complaint
if all
> you
> > >can come up with is that lame bullshit, what, are you a lawyer or
> something?
> > >Or A LIBARIAN.
> > >So tell ME, mr wizard, what do you use for a connection to the
svhs jack
> on
> > >your equipment?(Oh thats right, they dont have those on clock
radios)
> >
> > Find me a jack on a piece of equipment that says "svhs", dumbass.
Take a
> > picture of it and email it to me. Fuck off, you uneducated
ignorant
> clown.
> > Come back when you actually know something about electronics. You
> constantly
> > spew erroneous information, then get pissed when people try to
explain
> your
> > error. At least when I make a mistake when I post, I will thank
the folks
> that
> > took the time to correct me. All you can do is get defensive and
always
> claim
> > that you're right. As I said before, you're a legend in your own
mind.
> But
> > only yours.
> > I've never seen anyone so lacking in knowledge with such an
inflated ego.
> Like
> > Clint Eastwood once said:
> >
> > A man's got to know his limitations.
> > YEAH, and I bet your inflatable doll knows yours
> What a tool.
> S-video cables are called everything from s-vhs to svhs to s-video,
and if
> you werent a wet behind the ears pup who doesnt know shit from
shinola you'd
> know that.
> I've been hooking together systems since before you were a gleam in
your
> moms customers eye
> Advocating a certain type of speaker isnt attacking another, from
that I
> have heard para-what-sis are perfectly nice speakers but having
never heard
> a pair I really couldnt tell you.
> And yeah, there are better speakers than beemers, but for the price
you wont
> beat them. The 3,000$ maggies were exquisite, as were the 77,000
utopia
> grands, but I thought this was a group for mass market home theater
advice
> What "jeff" needs to do is get the chip off of his shoulder, and the
corncob
> out of his ass
> Your the type of weenie who knows the meaning of a lot of words and
> understands absolutely nothing about what they describe
> I never said that I was some kind of electronics wizard and if you
inferred
> that thats YOUR problem, numnutz.
> I do know more than you, but than again so does a trained seal
> > Jeff
> >

You already replied citing the above quoted text on January 6th. And
you did the same thing on January 18th. And I'm the one that's fucked
up? Your idiocy/ignorance is known to all here. No one constantly
busts my chops for constantly posting erroneous information. It's YOU
they attack, because while I made ONE mistake, you make them
constantly. Why is it so difficult for you to understand the reasons
why you are attacked? Why do you constantly state opinions as though
they are facts? And why do you insist on constantly posting
misinformation? Come on SMARTASS, EXPLAIN TO ME WHY EVERYONE HERE
TREATS YOU LIKE YOU"RE AN UNINFORMED IDIOT? Or haven't you noticed?
Let's see you B.S. your way out of answering this one!

[Severian]

<1shado1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1106379682.232256.78970@c13g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
Much Steve BS snipped
>
> You already replied citing the above quoted text on January 6th. And
> you did the same thing on January 18th. And I'm the one that's fucked
> up? Your idiocy/ignorance is known to all here. No one constantly
> busts my chops for constantly posting erroneous information. It's YOU
> they attack, because while I made ONE mistake, you make them
> constantly. Why is it so difficult for you to understand the reasons
> why you are attacked? Why do you constantly state opinions as though
> they are facts? And why do you insist on constantly posting
> misinformation? Come on SMARTASS, EXPLAIN TO ME WHY EVERYONE HERE
> TREATS YOU LIKE YOU"RE AN UNINFORMED IDIOT? Or haven't you noticed?
> Let's see you B.S. your way out of answering this one!
>

Hey, we probably treat him just like his parents do, so he's confused and
think we love him...

[1shado1@sbcglobal.net]

Severian wrote:

>Hey, we probably treat him just like his parents do, so he's confused
and
>think we love him...

Nah. We'd have to be sexually molesting him to make him believe that...

[Severian]

<1shado1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1106412973.269835.265800@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Severian wrote:
>
> >Hey, we probably treat him just like his parents do, so he's confused
> and
> >think we love him...
>
> Nah. We'd have to be sexually molesting him to make him believe that...
>

Since shit flows downhill, there's probably not a single small, furry animal
safe in his neighborhood...

<steve99@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:oaeHd.29183$tF.10302@bignews6.bellsouth.net.. .
>
> "UnionPac2004" <unionpac2004@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20041220203312.06368.00001963@mb-m18.aol.com...
> > steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >"UnionPac2004" <unionpac2004@aol.com> wrote in message
> > >news:20041202222954.06204.00000818@mb-m21.aol.com...
> > >> steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >"UnionPac2004" <unionpac2004@aol.com> wrote in message
> > >> >news:20041110211047.23249.00000494@mb-m03.aol.com...
> > >> >> steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> <snip>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >and my
> > >> >> >current system prob cost more than "david" makes in a year, what
> the
> > >hell
> > >> >do
> > >> >> >I know?
> > >> >> >I'm only watching sheryl crow in high def on 3 grand worth of B&W
> > >> >> >LOUDSPEAKERS and a panny tv, piped through a 1500 dollar integra
> with
> > >the
> > >> >> >source being my dish 800 receiver (which I installed BTW)
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Let me preface my statements by saying that I am in no way taking
> sides
> > >on
> > >> >this
> > >> >> issue. I am merely making an observation.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> There is absolutely no correlation between the price of one's
> system,
> > >and
> > >> >the
> > >> >> amount of knowledge about electronics said owner may or may not
> > >possess.
> > >> >For
> > >> >> example, I have invested $3000+ in Paradigm Reference speakers
> > >> >> (L&R mains, +sub), and I don't know jack about electronics...
> > >> >
> > >> >No but you need to be able to do more than change the batteries in
> your
> > >> >remote to install your own satellite dish
> > >>
> > >> BFD. I installed MY satellite dish too. Not exactly rocket science,
> Mr.
> > >> Wizard...
> > >>
> > >> >Or build a three stage transistor amplifier
> > >>
> > >> Your OWN design, from scratch? Or a kit?
> > >>
> > >> >Or take a TV apart and put it back together(dont know if I can still
> do
> > >that
> > >> >though, its been awhile)
> > >> >Or how about taking apart a yamaha receiver and finding out that a
> > >leaking
> > >> >capacitor is shorting to ground, making it go into protection mode?
> > >>
> > >> Yeah, it's REAL difficult to spot a leaking cap.
> > >>
> > >> Did I ever claim that your electronics knowledge was lacking? I
merely
> > >pointed
> > >> out that having a system that "prob cost more than 'david' makes in a
> > >year"
> > >> isn't necessarily an indication of electronics knowledge, which is
> exactly
> > >what
> > >> your statement inferred, the way it was worded.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >AND you could have gotten a much better deal on a set of B&W
> 602S2'S
> > >,
> > >> >I have those with a asw2500 sub, next time shop around
> > >>
> > >> And then of course, being MR. KNOW IT ALL, you decide to trash MY
> > >selection of
> > >> speakers, because of course you possess that SUPERIOR ELECTRONICS
> > >INTELLECT. I
> > >> don't know what YOU use to decide what speakers to purchase, but most
> > >folks use
> > >> their EARS, and buy what SOUNDS GOOD TO THEM (which is a TOTALLY
> > >SUBJECTIVE
> > >> CHOICE). The shop I purchased my Paradigms from was also a B&W
dealer,
> > >and I
> > >> auditioned both brands. But I made the WRONG DECISION because I
didn't
> > >> purchase B&W 602s2's and an asw2500 subwoofer, as you did. Well, I
> wish
> > >you
> > >> would've gotten here a few years earlier. That way we ALL would've
> known
> > >to
> > >> buy what STEVE bought, because that's OBVIOUSLY the only intelligent
> > >decision
> > >> when it comes to speakers!
> > >>
> > >> >Really though, when you tell a third party to ignore the advice of a
> > >second
> > >> >party out of sheer malice, not knowing ANYTHING about the second
> party,
> > >how
> > >> >screwed up is that?
> > >>
> > >> No, the question is: HOW SCREWED UP ARE YOU????????????????????????
> > >>
> > >> I NEVER told a third party to ignore the advice of a second party!
> REREAD
> > >MY
> > >> STATEMENT! And where did MALICE enter the picture?????????????????
I
> > >said
> > >> NOTHING which should have caused you to jump down my throat, or trash
> my
> > >choice
> > >> of speakers! Where exactly do you come up with this stuff??????
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >I was just demonstrating that I did know enough to put together a
> decent
> > >> >system at a fair price.
> > >>
> > >> Well, then perhaps you should word your statements more carefully,
> because
> > >that
> > >> is NOT the way it came across.
> > >>
> > >> >You dont actually think my system is expensive, do
> > >> >you?
> > >>
> > >> Whether I think it's expensive isn't the point. You make it sound
like
> it
> > >is,
> > >> and that everybody should be impressed with your electronics
knowledge
> for
> > >> spending x amount of dollars. The way you worded your statement made
> it
> > >sound
> > >> like you were superior because you spent more on your system than
> "david"
> > >> probably makes in a year.
> > >>
> > >> >Thats not my point, my point is that I can put together an
INEXPENSIVE
> > >> >system and still have a pretty good one.
> > >>
> > >> I have no problem with that, but as I've said before, perhaps you
> should
> > >take
> > >> care in wording your statements to make your point clear, instead of
> > >sounding
> > >> so high and mighty.
> > >>
> > >> >Go to the next C.E.D.A and take a look at what the installers are
> > >putting
> > >> >together. Now, some of those are REAL home theaters, not mass
market
> > >stuff
> > >> >cobbled together by us working folks.
> > >>
> > >> Yes, because of course, only Steve the electronics expert can
determine
> > >> quality.
> > >>
> > >> >AND the fact that I know that says vollumes about what I do know
about
> > >home
> > >> >theater
> > >>
> > >> You're a legend in your own mind.
> > >>
> > >> >But I really dont care if anybody follows my advice or not, find out
> the
> > >> >hard way like I did,
> > >>
> > >> But how did you find out the hard way, what with being the
electronics
> > >guru? I
> > >> find that hard to believe.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >I post advice for those who might get something out of
> > >> >it,
> > >>
> > >> And it's good of you to do that, and I commend you for doing so...
> > >>
> > >> >if you dont think I know anything, then find, find out for yourself.
> > >>
> > >> I never claimed that you don't know anything. You know more than
some,
> > >and
> > >> less than others. But MOST of us try to make sure of our facts
instead
> of
> > >> talking out of our asses. That's why you put some folks off when you
> post
> > >> here. I wasn't one of them until your ignorant rant about what I
said.
> > >Have a
> > >> nice day!
> > >> Jeff
> > >> P.S. There's no such thing as an S-VHS cable, Mr. Wizard (LMAO)
> > >More sematics, what a dumbass, you really dont have any complaint if
all
> you
> > >can come up with is that lame bullshit, what, are you a lawyer or
> something?
> > >Or A LIBARIAN.
> > >So tell ME, mr wizard, what do you use for a connection to the svhs
jack
> on
> > >your equipment?(Oh thats right, they dont have those on clock radios)
> >
> > Find me a jack on a piece of equipment that says "svhs", dumbass. Take a
> > picture of it and email it to me. Fuck off, you uneducated ignorant
> clown.
> > Come back when you actually know something about electronics. You
> constantly
> > spew erroneous information, then get pissed when people try to explain
> your
> > error. At least when I make a mistake when I post, I will thank the
folks
> that
> > took the time to correct me. All you can do is get defensive and always
> claim
> > that you're right. As I said before, you're a legend in your own mind.
> But
> > only yours.
> > I've never seen anyone so lacking in knowledge with such an inflated
ego.
> Like
> > Clint Eastwood once said:
> >
> > A man's got to know his limitations.
> > YEAH, and I bet your inflatable doll knows yours
> What a tool.
> S-video cables are called everything from s-vhs to svhs to s-video, and if
> you werent a wet behind the ears pup who doesnt know shit from shinola
you'd
> know that.
> I've been hooking together systems since before you were a gleam in your
> moms customers eye
> Advocating a certain type of speaker isnt attacking another, from that I
> have heard para-what-sis are perfectly nice speakers but having never
heard
> a pair I really couldnt tell you.
> And yeah, there are better speakers than beemers, but for the price you
wont
> beat them. The 3,000$ maggies were exquisite, as were the 77,000 utopia
> grands, but I thought this was a group for mass market home theater advice
> What "jeff" needs to do is get the chip off of his shoulder, and the
corncob
> out of his ass
> Your the type of weenie who knows the meaning of a lot of words and
> understands absolutely nothing about what they describe
> I never said that I was some kind of electronics wizard and if you
inferred
> that thats YOUR problem, numnutz.
> I do know more than you, but than again so does a trained seal
> > Jeff
> >
> One thing I HAVE figured out, and that is that you are a shill for the
Canadian speaker industry in general and para-whatsis in paticular, and take
exception to my description of Canadian speakers as somewhat uninspired
(which is an understatement)
HEY, I'm not getting a paycheck to argue my point of view, whore
Speakers are the last bastion of emotion in the audio industry thats left,
and a love of music and an instinct for good sound is still important, you
can make decent speakers with a by the numbers approach using generic
drivers in generic boxes but you need a heart for music to make GREAT
speakers
And a drunken sot of an englishman can slap together a better speaker in an
afternoon than a team of Canadian engineers could do in a lifetime
>

[aewtfaeg]

----- Original Message -----
From: <steve99@bellsouth.net>
Newsgroups: alt.home-theater.misc
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: Receiver Recommendation


>
> <steve99@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:oaeHd.29183$tF.10302@bignews6.bellsouth.net.. .
> >
> > "UnionPac2004" <unionpac2004@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20041220203312.06368.00001963@mb-m18.aol.com...
> > > steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >"UnionPac2004" <unionpac2004@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:20041202222954.06204.00000818@mb-m21.aol.com...
> > > >> steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >"UnionPac2004" <unionpac2004@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > >> >news:20041110211047.23249.00000494@mb-m03.aol.com...
> > > >> >> steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> <snip>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> >and my
> > > >> >> >current system prob cost more than "david" makes in a year,
what
> > the
> > > >hell
> > > >> >do
> > > >> >> >I know?
> > > >> >> >I'm only watching sheryl crow in high def on 3 grand worth of
B&W
> > > >> >> >LOUDSPEAKERS and a panny tv, piped through a 1500 dollar
integra
> > with
> > > >the
> > > >> >> >source being my dish 800 receiver (which I installed BTW)
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Let me preface my statements by saying that I am in no way
taking
> > sides
> > > >on
> > > >> >this
> > > >> >> issue. I am merely making an observation.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> There is absolutely no correlation between the price of one's
> > system,
> > > >and
> > > >> >the
> > > >> >> amount of knowledge about electronics said owner may or may not
> > > >possess.
> > > >> >For
> > > >> >> example, I have invested $3000+ in Paradigm Reference speakers
> > > >> >> (L&R mains, +sub), and I don't know jack about electronics...
> > > >> >
> > > >> >No but you need to be able to do more than change the batteries in
> > your
> > > >> >remote to install your own satellite dish
> > > >>
> > > >> BFD. I installed MY satellite dish too. Not exactly rocket
science,
> > Mr.
> > > >> Wizard...
> > > >>
> > > >> >Or build a three stage transistor amplifier
> > > >>
> > > >> Your OWN design, from scratch? Or a kit?
> > > >>
> > > >> >Or take a TV apart and put it back together(dont know if I can
still
> > do
> > > >that
> > > >> >though, its been awhile)
> > > >> >Or how about taking apart a yamaha receiver and finding out that a
> > > >leaking
> > > >> >capacitor is shorting to ground, making it go into protection
mode?
> > > >>
> > > >> Yeah, it's REAL difficult to spot a leaking cap.
> > > >>
> > > >> Did I ever claim that your electronics knowledge was lacking? I
> merely
> > > >pointed
> > > >> out that having a system that "prob cost more than 'david' makes in
a
> > > >year"
> > > >> isn't necessarily an indication of electronics knowledge, which is
> > exactly
> > > >what
> > > >> your statement inferred, the way it was worded.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >AND you could have gotten a much better deal on a set of B&W
> > 602S2'S
> > > >,
> > > >> >I have those with a asw2500 sub, next time shop around
> > > >>
> > > >> And then of course, being MR. KNOW IT ALL, you decide to trash MY
> > > >selection of
> > > >> speakers, because of course you possess that SUPERIOR ELECTRONICS
> > > >INTELLECT. I
> > > >> don't know what YOU use to decide what speakers to purchase, but
most
> > > >folks use
> > > >> their EARS, and buy what SOUNDS GOOD TO THEM (which is a TOTALLY
> > > >SUBJECTIVE
> > > >> CHOICE). The shop I purchased my Paradigms from was also a B&W
> dealer,
> > > >and I
> > > >> auditioned both brands. But I made the WRONG DECISION because I
> didn't
> > > >> purchase B&W 602s2's and an asw2500 subwoofer, as you did. Well, I
> > wish
> > > >you
> > > >> would've gotten here a few years earlier. That way we ALL would've
> > known
> > > >to
> > > >> buy what STEVE bought, because that's OBVIOUSLY the only
intelligent
> > > >decision
> > > >> when it comes to speakers!
> > > >>
> > > >> >Really though, when you tell a third party to ignore the advice of
a
> > > >second
> > > >> >party out of sheer malice, not knowing ANYTHING about the second
> > party,
> > > >how
> > > >> >screwed up is that?
> > > >>
> > > >> No, the question is: HOW SCREWED UP ARE
YOU????????????????????????
> > > >>
> > > >> I NEVER told a third party to ignore the advice of a second party!
> > REREAD
> > > >MY
> > > >> STATEMENT! And where did MALICE enter the picture?????????????????
> I
> > > >said
> > > >> NOTHING which should have caused you to jump down my throat, or
trash
> > my
> > > >choice
> > > >> of speakers! Where exactly do you come up with this stuff??????
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >I was just demonstrating that I did know enough to put together a
> > decent
> > > >> >system at a fair price.
> > > >>
> > > >> Well, then perhaps you should word your statements more carefully,
> > because
> > > >that
> > > >> is NOT the way it came across.
> > > >>
> > > >> >You dont actually think my system is expensive, do
> > > >> >you?
> > > >>
> > > >> Whether I think it's expensive isn't the point. You make it sound
> like
> > it
> > > >is,
> > > >> and that everybody should be impressed with your electronics
> knowledge
> > for
> > > >> spending x amount of dollars. The way you worded your statement
made
> > it
> > > >sound
> > > >> like you were superior because you spent more on your system than
> > "david"
> > > >> probably makes in a year.
> > > >>
> > > >> >Thats not my point, my point is that I can put together an
> INEXPENSIVE
> > > >> >system and still have a pretty good one.
> > > >>
> > > >> I have no problem with that, but as I've said before, perhaps you
> > should
> > > >take
> > > >> care in wording your statements to make your point clear, instead
of
> > > >sounding
> > > >> so high and mighty.
> > > >>
> > > >> >Go to the next C.E.D.A and take a look at what the installers are
> > > >putting
> > > >> >together. Now, some of those are REAL home theaters, not mass
> market
> > > >stuff
> > > >> >cobbled together by us working folks.
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes, because of course, only Steve the electronics expert can
> determine
> > > >> quality.
> > > >>
> > > >> >AND the fact that I know that says vollumes about what I do know
> about
> > > >home
> > > >> >theater
> > > >>
> > > >> You're a legend in your own mind.
> > > >>
> > > >> >But I really dont care if anybody follows my advice or not, find
out
> > the
> > > >> >hard way like I did,
> > > >>
> > > >> But how did you find out the hard way, what with being the
> electronics
> > > >guru? I
> > > >> find that hard to believe.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >I post advice for those who might get something out of
> > > >> >it,
> > > >>
> > > >> And it's good of you to do that, and I commend you for doing so...
> > > >>
> > > >> >if you dont think I know anything, then find, find out for
yourself.
> > > >>
> > > >> I never claimed that you don't know anything. You know more than
> some,
> > > >and
> > > >> less than others. But MOST of us try to make sure of our facts
> instead
> > of
> > > >> talking out of our asses. That's why you put some folks off when
you
> > post
> > > >> here. I wasn't one of them until your ignorant rant about what I
> said.
> > > >Have a
> > > >> nice day!
> > > >> Jeff
> > > >> P.S. There's no such thing as an S-VHS cable, Mr. Wizard (LMAO)
> > > >More sematics, what a dumbass, you really dont have any complaint if
> all
> > you
> > > >can come up with is that lame bullshit, what, are you a lawyer or
> > something?
> > > >Or A LIBARIAN.
> > > >So tell ME, mr wizard, what do you use for a connection to the svhs
> jack
> > on
> > > >your equipment?(Oh thats right, they dont have those on clock radios)
> > >
> > > Find me a jack on a piece of equipment that says "svhs", dumbass. Take
a
> > > picture of it and email it to me. Fuck off, you uneducated ignorant
> > clown.
> > > Come back when you actually know something about electronics. You
> > constantly
> > > spew erroneous information, then get pissed when people try to explain
> > your
> > > error. At least when I make a mistake when I post, I will thank the
> folks
> > that
> > > took the time to correct me. All you can do is get defensive and
always
> > claim
> > > that you're right. As I said before, you're a legend in your own
mind.
> > But
> > > only yours.
> > > I've never seen anyone so lacking in knowledge with such an inflated
> ego.
> > Like
> > > Clint Eastwood once said:
> > >
> > > A man's got to know his limitations.
> > > YEAH, and I bet your inflatable doll knows yours
> > What a tool.
> > S-video cables are called everything from s-vhs to svhs to s-video, and
if
> > you werent a wet behind the ears pup who doesnt know shit from shinola
> you'd
> > know that.
> > I've been hooking together systems since before you were a gleam in your
> > moms customers eye
> > Advocating a certain type of speaker isnt attacking another, from that I
> > have heard para-what-sis are perfectly nice speakers but having never
> heard
> > a pair I really couldnt tell you.
> > And yeah, there are better speakers than beemers, but for the price you
> wont
> > beat them. The 3,000$ maggies were exquisite, as were the 77,000 utopia
> > grands, but I thought this was a group for mass market home theater
advice
> > What "jeff" needs to do is get the chip off of his shoulder, and the
> corncob
> > out of his ass
> > Your the type of weenie who knows the meaning of a lot of words and
> > understands absolutely nothing about what they describe
> > I never said that I was some kind of electronics wizard and if you
> inferred
> > that thats YOUR problem, numnutz.
> > I do know more than you, but than again so does a trained seal
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > One thing I HAVE figured out, and that is that you are a shill for the
> Canadian speaker industry in general and para-whatsis in paticular, and
take
> exception to my description of Canadian speakers as somewhat uninspired
> (which is an understatement)
> HEY, I'm not getting a paycheck to argue my point of view, whore
> Speakers are the last bastion of emotion in the audio industry thats left,
> and a love of music and an instinct for good sound is still important, you
> can make decent speakers with a by the numbers approach using generic
> drivers in generic boxes but you need a heart for music to make GREAT
> speakers
> And a drunken sot of an englishman can slap together a better speaker in
an
> afternoon than a team of Canadian engineers could do in a lifetime

Man, have you got a case of brown nose-itis for the Brits. Whatsamatta?
Still fantasizing about Princes Di while you jerk off? Or worse, Prince
Charles?

<1shado1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1106379682.232256.78970@c13g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>
> steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > "UnionPac2004" <unionpac2004@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20041220203312.06368.00001963@mb-m18.aol.com...
> > > steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >"UnionPac2004" <unionpac2004@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:20041202222954.06204.00000818@mb-m21.aol.com...
> > > >> steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >"UnionPac2004" <unionpac2004@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > >> >news:20041110211047.23249.00000494@mb-m03.aol.com...
> > > >> >> steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> <snip>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> >and my
> > > >> >> >current system prob cost more than "david" makes in a year,
> what
> > the
> > > >hell
> > > >> >do
> > > >> >> >I know?
> > > >> >> >I'm only watching sheryl crow in high def on 3 grand worth
> of B&W
> > > >> >> >LOUDSPEAKERS and a panny tv, piped through a 1500 dollar
> integra
> > with
> > > >the
> > > >> >> >source being my dish 800 receiver (which I installed BTW)
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Let me preface my statements by saying that I am in no way
> taking
> > sides
> > > >on
> > > >> >this
> > > >> >> issue. I am merely making an observation.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> There is absolutely no correlation between the price of one's
> > system,
> > > >and
> > > >> >the
> > > >> >> amount of knowledge about electronics said owner may or may
> not
> > > >possess.
> > > >> >For
> > > >> >> example, I have invested $3000+ in Paradigm Reference
> speakers
> > > >> >> (L&R mains, +sub), and I don't know jack about electronics...
> > > >> >
> > > >> >No but you need to be able to do more than change the batteries
> in
> > your
> > > >> >remote to install your own satellite dish
> > > >>
> > > >> BFD. I installed MY satellite dish too. Not exactly rocket
> science,
> > Mr.
> > > >> Wizard...
> > > >>
> > > >> >Or build a three stage transistor amplifier
> > > >>
> > > >> Your OWN design, from scratch? Or a kit?
> > > >>
> > > >> >Or take a TV apart and put it back together(dont know if I can
> still
> > do
> > > >that
> > > >> >though, its been awhile)
> > > >> >Or how about taking apart a yamaha receiver and finding out
> that a
> > > >leaking
> > > >> >capacitor is shorting to ground, making it go into protection
> mode?
> > > >>
> > > >> Yeah, it's REAL difficult to spot a leaking cap.
> > > >>
> > > >> Did I ever claim that your electronics knowledge was lacking? I
> merely
> > > >pointed
> > > >> out that having a system that "prob cost more than 'david' makes
> in a
> > > >year"
> > > >> isn't necessarily an indication of electronics knowledge, which
> is
> > exactly
> > > >what
> > > >> your statement inferred, the way it was worded.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >AND you could have gotten a much better deal on a set of
> B&W
> > 602S2'S
> > > >,
> > > >> >I have those with a asw2500 sub, next time shop around
> > > >>
> > > >> And then of course, being MR. KNOW IT ALL, you decide to trash
> MY
> > > >selection of
> > > >> speakers, because of course you possess that SUPERIOR
> ELECTRONICS
> > > >INTELLECT. I
> > > >> don't know what YOU use to decide what speakers to purchase, but
> most
> > > >folks use
> > > >> their EARS, and buy what SOUNDS GOOD TO THEM (which is a TOTALLY
> > > >SUBJECTIVE
> > > >> CHOICE). The shop I purchased my Paradigms from was also a B&W
> dealer,
> > > >and I
> > > >> auditioned both brands. But I made the WRONG DECISION because I
> didn't
> > > >> purchase B&W 602s2's and an asw2500 subwoofer, as you did.
> Well, I
> > wish
> > > >you
> > > >> would've gotten here a few years earlier. That way we ALL
> would've
> > known
> > > >to
> > > >> buy what STEVE bought, because that's OBVIOUSLY the only
> intelligent
> > > >decision
> > > >> when it comes to speakers!
> > > >>
> > > >> >Really though, when you tell a third party to ignore the advice
> of a
> > > >second
> > > >> >party out of sheer malice, not knowing ANYTHING about the
> second
> > party,
> > > >how
> > > >> >screwed up is that?
> > > >>
> > > >> No, the question is: HOW SCREWED UP ARE
> YOU????????????????????????
> > > >>
> > > >> I NEVER told a third party to ignore the advice of a second
> party!
> > REREAD
> > > >MY
> > > >> STATEMENT! And where did MALICE enter the
> picture????????????????? I
> > > >said
> > > >> NOTHING which should have caused you to jump down my throat, or
> trash
> > my
> > > >choice
> > > >> of speakers! Where exactly do you come up with this
> stuff??????
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >I was just demonstrating that I did know enough to put together
> a
> > decent
> > > >> >system at a fair price.
> > > >>
> > > >> Well, then perhaps you should word your statements more
> carefully,
> > because
> > > >that
> > > >> is NOT the way it came across.
> > > >>
> > > >> >You dont actually think my system is expensive, do
> > > >> >you?
> > > >>
> > > >> Whether I think it's expensive isn't the point. You make it
> sound like
> > it
> > > >is,
> > > >> and that everybody should be impressed with your electronics
> knowledge
> > for
> > > >> spending x amount of dollars. The way you worded your statement
> made
> > it
> > > >sound
> > > >> like you were superior because you spent more on your system
> than
> > "david"
> > > >> probably makes in a year.
> > > >>
> > > >> >Thats not my point, my point is that I can put together an
> INEXPENSIVE
> > > >> >system and still have a pretty good one.
> > > >>
> > > >> I have no problem with that, but as I've said before, perhaps
> you
> > should
> > > >take
> > > >> care in wording your statements to make your point clear,
> instead of
> > > >sounding
> > > >> so high and mighty.
> > > >>
> > > >> >Go to the next C.E.D.A and take a look at what the installers
> are
> > > >putting
> > > >> >together. Now, some of those are REAL home theaters, not mass
> market
> > > >stuff
> > > >> >cobbled together by us working folks.
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes, because of course, only Steve the electronics expert can
> determine
> > > >> quality.
> > > >>
> > > >> >AND the fact that I know that says vollumes about what I do
> know about
> > > >home
> > > >> >theater
> > > >>
> > > >> You're a legend in your own mind.
> > > >>
> > > >> >But I really dont care if anybody follows my advice or not,
> find out
> > the
> > > >> >hard way like I did,
> > > >>
> > > >> But how did you find out the hard way, what with being the
> electronics
> > > >guru? I
> > > >> find that hard to believe.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >I post advice for those who might get something out of
> > > >> >it,
> > > >>
> > > >> And it's good of you to do that, and I commend you for doing
> so...
> > > >>
> > > >> >if you dont think I know anything, then find, find out for
> yourself.
> > > >>
> > > >> I never claimed that you don't know anything. You know more
> than some,
> > > >and
> > > >> less than others. But MOST of us try to make sure of our facts
> instead
> > of
> > > >> talking out of our asses. That's why you put some folks off
> when you
> > post
> > > >> here. I wasn't one of them until your ignorant rant about what
> I said.
> > > >Have a
> > > >> nice day!
> > > >> Jeff
> > > >> P.S. There's no such thing as an S-VHS cable, Mr. Wizard (LMAO)
> > > >More sematics, what a dumbass, you really dont have any complaint
> if all
> > you
> > > >can come up with is that lame bullshit, what, are you a lawyer or
> > something?
> > > >Or A LIBARIAN.
> > > >So tell ME, mr wizard, what do you use for a connection to the
> svhs jack
> > on
> > > >your equipment?(Oh thats right, they dont have those on clock
> radios)
> > >
> > > Find me a jack on a piece of equipment that says "svhs", dumbass.
> Take a
> > > picture of it and email it to me. Fuck off, you uneducated
> ignorant
> > clown.
> > > Come back when you actually know something about electronics. You
> > constantly
> > > spew erroneous information, then get pissed when people try to
> explain
> > your
> > > error. At least when I make a mistake when I post, I will thank
> the folks
> > that
> > > took the time to correct me. All you can do is get defensive and
> always
> > claim
> > > that you're right. As I said before, you're a legend in your own
> mind.
> > But
> > > only yours.
> > > I've never seen anyone so lacking in knowledge with such an
> inflated ego.
> > Like
> > > Clint Eastwood once said:
> > >
> > > A man's got to know his limitations.
> > > YEAH, and I bet your inflatable doll knows yours
> > What a tool.
> > S-video cables are called everything from s-vhs to svhs to s-video,
> and if
> > you werent a wet behind the ears pup who doesnt know shit from
> shinola you'd
> > know that.
> > I've been hooking together systems since before you were a gleam in
> your
> > moms customers eye
> > Advocating a certain type of speaker isnt attacking another, from
> that I
> > have heard para-what-sis are perfectly nice speakers but having
> never heard
> > a pair I really couldnt tell you.
> > And yeah, there are better speakers than beemers, but for the price
> you wont
> > beat them. The 3,000$ maggies were exquisite, as were the 77,000
> utopia
> > grands, but I thought this was a group for mass market home theater
> advice
> > What "jeff" needs to do is get the chip off of his shoulder, and the
> corncob
> > out of his ass
> > Your the type of weenie who knows the meaning of a lot of words and
> > understands absolutely nothing about what they describe
> > I never said that I was some kind of electronics wizard and if you
> inferred
> > that thats YOUR problem, numnutz.
> > I do know more than you, but than again so does a trained seal
> > > Jeff
> > >
>
> You already replied citing the above quoted text on January 6th. And
> you did the same thing on January 18th. And I'm the one that's fucked
> up? Your idiocy/ignorance is known to all here. No one constantly
> busts my chops for constantly posting erroneous information. It's YOU
> they attack, because while I made ONE mistake, you make them
> constantly. Why is it so difficult for you to understand the reasons
> why you are attacked? Why do you constantly state opinions as though
> they are facts? And why do you insist on constantly posting
> misinformation? Come on SMARTASS, EXPLAIN TO ME WHY EVERYONE HERE
> TREATS YOU LIKE YOU"RE AN UNINFORMED IDIOT? Or haven't you noticed?
> Let's see you B.S. your way out of answering this one!
Not everyone, just representatives from the Canadian speaker industry who
are pissed because I bother to point out just how mediocre Canadian speakers
are, well built but no soul whatsoever.
As for making one mistake which one is that, living in a second rate Country
like Canada?
Or being a pompous horses ass who thinks HE knows everything but wasnt even
a gleam in whatever paying customer his mom serviced the night he was
conceived when I was learning about the basics of color TV in electronics
class.
AND finally you seem to be the only one doing the attacking, you argue
sematics that really dont mean a damn thing, like for instance I refer to
s-video cables as svhs cables sometimes, this is because I used these cables
primarily for svhs decks for years, probably while you were getting beat up
in preschool, yeah, this is really a huge crime, better string me up.
Yeah, whores from whatever industry is paying you this week are all the
same, harraung somebody on minor matters and keep pounding away because
somebody might decide not to buy the mediocre product your hawking because
someone in a news group said it was mediocre, never mind the fact that a
listening session will betray that in short order
Do I make mistakes? Sure, but so does everybody else,
one guy in this group said in the same post that the new tv standard was
digital, not hdtv and then turned around and said ED televisions were HDTV
because they were part of the new standard! which would imply that the new
standard is HDTV, which is a contradiction to what he had said earlier.
And yeah sometimes I add something to what I already said, sorry but I didnt
know you could only respond ONCE TO A POST, oh great arbiter of what is
good in newsgroups, I was posting to these groups when they were still
primarily asci II and green screens, assmunch.\
Maybe I post some things on here to spark debate, to stir things up, when I
returned here several months ago it had degenerated to a deal where asswipes
like you who have to read the instructions to program your shiny new clock
radio could lord it over newbies who came here for advice, not knowing the
difference between coax digital cable and coax 75ohm cable, and egomaniacs
like you can feel so good because you do know, not good enough to get it up
for your boyfriend maybe, lets not get carried away, NOTHING could make a
nimrod like you have the ability to do anything but run your mouth,
something you do with great authority, never mind that you have the
personality of a damp paper towel, if your other countrymen are like you it
might explain why your speakers are so bland, you cant take a joke, sarcasm
flys right over your head and autistic children have a better time
understanding inuendo.
Buttwipes like you make cardboard seem exciting by comparison
NOW GET BACK TO PLAYING WITH YOUR DOLLS LITTLE MAN....because your really
boring the pee outta me
>

[Jack Dotson]

<steve99@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Qi8Ud.32550$u87.18984@bignews6.bellsouth.net. ..
>
> <1shado1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:1106379682.232256.78970@c13g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> > "UnionPac2004" <unionpac2004@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > news:20041220203312.06368.00001963@mb-m18.aol.com...
>> > > steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >"UnionPac2004" <unionpac2004@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > > >news:20041202222954.06204.00000818@mb-m21.aol.com...
>> > > >> steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >"UnionPac2004" <unionpac2004@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > > >> >news:20041110211047.23249.00000494@mb-m03.aol.com...
>> > > >> >> steve99@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> <snip>
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> >and my
>> > > >> >> >current system prob cost more than "david" makes in a year,
>> what
>> > the
>> > > >hell
>> > > >> >do
>> > > >> >> >I know?
>> > > >> >> >I'm only watching sheryl crow in high def on 3 grand worth
>> of B&W
>> > > >> >> >LOUDSPEAKERS and a panny tv, piped through a 1500 dollar
>> integra
>> > with
>> > > >the
>> > > >> >> >source being my dish 800 receiver (which I installed BTW)
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> Let me preface my statements by saying that I am in no way
>> taking
>> > sides
>> > > >on
>> > > >> >this
>> > > >> >> issue. I am merely making an observation.
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> There is absolutely no correlation between the price of one's
>> > system,
>> > > >and
>> > > >> >the
>> > > >> >> amount of knowledge about electronics said owner may or may
>> not
>> > > >possess.
>> > > >> >For
>> > > >> >> example, I have invested $3000+ in Paradigm Reference
>> speakers
>> > > >> >> (L&R mains, +sub), and I don't know jack about electronics...
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >No but you need to be able to do more than change the batteries
>> in
>> > your
>> > > >> >remote to install your own satellite dish
>> > > >>
>> > > >> BFD. I installed MY satellite dish too. Not exactly rocket
>> science,
>> > Mr.
>> > > >> Wizard...
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >Or build a three stage transistor amplifier
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Your OWN design, from scratch? Or a kit?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >Or take a TV apart and put it back together(dont know if I can
>> still
>> > do
>> > > >that
>> > > >> >though, its been awhile)
>> > > >> >Or how about taking apart a yamaha receiver and finding out
>> that a
>> > > >leaking
>> > > >> >capacitor is shorting to ground, making it go into protection
>> mode?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Yeah, it's REAL difficult to spot a leaking cap.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Did I ever claim that your electronics knowledge was lacking? I
>> merely
>> > > >pointed
>> > > >> out that having a system that "prob cost more than 'david' makes
>> in a
>> > > >year"
>> > > >> isn't necessarily an indication of electronics knowledge, which
>> is
>> > exactly
>> > > >what
>> > > >> your statement inferred, the way it was worded.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >AND you could have gotten a much better deal on a set of
>> B&W
>> > 602S2'S
>> > > >,
>> > > >> >I have those with a asw2500 sub, next time shop around
>> > > >>
>> > > >> And then of course, being MR. KNOW IT ALL, you decide to trash
>> MY
>> > > >selection of
>> > > >> speakers, because of course you possess that SUPERIOR
>> ELECTRONICS
>> > > >INTELLECT. I
>> > > >> don't know what YOU use to decide what speakers to purchase, but
>> most
>> > > >folks use
>> > > >> their EARS, and buy what SOUNDS GOOD TO THEM (which is a TOTALLY
>> > > >SUBJECTIVE
>> > > >> CHOICE). The shop I purchased my Paradigms from was also a B&W
>> dealer,
>> > > >and I
>> > > >> auditioned both brands. But I made the WRONG DECISION because I
>> didn't
>> > > >> purchase B&W 602s2's and an asw2500 subwoofer, as you did.
>> Well, I
>> > wish
>> > > >you
>> > > >> would've gotten here a few years earlier. That way we ALL
>> would've
>> > known
>> > > >to
>> > > >> buy what STEVE bought, because that's OBVIOUSLY the only
>> intelligent
>> > > >decision
>> > > >> when it comes to speakers!
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >Really though, when you tell a third party to ignore the advice
>> of a
>> > > >second
>> > > >> >party out of sheer malice, not knowing ANYTHING about the
>> second
>> > party,
>> > > >how
>> > > >> >screwed up is that?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> No, the question is: HOW SCREWED UP ARE
>> YOU????????????????????????
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I NEVER told a third party to ignore the advice of a second
>> party!
>> > REREAD
>> > > >MY
>> > > >> STATEMENT! And where did MALICE enter the
>> picture????????????????? I
>> > > >said
>> > > >> NOTHING which should have caused you to jump down my throat, or
>> trash
>> > my
>> > > >choice
>> > > >> of speakers! Where exactly do you come up with this
>> stuff??????
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >I was just demonstrating that I did know enough to put together
>> a
>> > decent
>> > > >> >system at a fair price.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Well, then perhaps you should word your statements more
>> carefully,
>> > because
>> > > >that
>> > > >> is NOT the way it came across.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >You dont actually think my system is expensive, do
>> > > >> >you?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Whether I think it's expensive isn't the point. You make it
>> sound like
>> > it
>> > > >is,
>> > > >> and that everybody should be impressed with your electronics
>> knowledge
>> > for
>> > > >> spending x amount of dollars. The way you worded your statement
>> made
>> > it
>> > > >sound
>> > > >> like you were superior because you spent more on your system
>> than
>> > "david"
>> > > >> probably makes in a year.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >Thats not my point, my point is that I can put together an
>> INEXPENSIVE
>> > > >> >system and still have a pretty good one.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I have no problem with that, but as I've said before, perhaps
>> you
>> > should
>> > > >take
>> > > >> care in wording your statements to make your point clear,
>> instead of
>> > > >sounding
>> > > >> so high and mighty.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >Go to the next C.E.D.A and take a look at what the installers
>> are
>> > > >putting
>> > > >> >together. Now, some of those are REAL home theaters, not mass
>> market
>> > > >stuff
>> > > >> >cobbled together by us working folks.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Yes, because of course, only Steve the electronics expert can
>> determine
>> > > >> quality.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >AND the fact that I know that says vollumes about what I do
>> know about
>> > > >home
>> > > >> >theater
>> > > >>
>> > > >> You're a legend in your own mind.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >But I really dont care if anybody follows my advice or not,
>> find out
>> > the
>> > > >> >hard way like I did,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> But how did you find out the hard way, what with being the
>> electronics
>> > > >guru? I
>> > > >> find that hard to believe.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >I post advice for those who might get something out of
>> > > >> >it,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> And it's good of you to do that, and I commend you for doing
>> so...
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >if you dont think I know anything, then find, find out for
>> yourself.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I never claimed that you don't know anything. You know more
>> than some,
>> > > >and
>> > > >> less than others. But MOST of us try to make sure of our facts
>> instead
>> > of
>> > > >> talking out of our asses. That's why you put some folks off
>> when you
>> > post
>> > > >> here. I wasn't one of them until your ignorant rant about what
>> I said.
>> > > >Have a
>> > > >> nice day!
>> > > >> Jeff
>> > > >> P.S. There's no such thing as an S-VHS cable, Mr. Wizard (LMAO)
>> > > >More sematics, what a dumbass, you really dont have any complaint
>> if all
>> > you
>> > > >can come up with is that lame bullshit, what, are you a lawyer or
>> > something?
>> > > >Or A LIBARIAN.
>> > > >So tell ME, mr wizard, what do you use for a connection to the
>> svhs jack
>> > on
>> > > >your equipment?(Oh thats right, they dont have those on clock
>> radios)
>> > >
>> > > Find me a jack on a piece of equipment that says "svhs", dumbass.
>> Take a
>> > > picture of it and email it to me. Fuck off, you uneducated
>> ignorant
>> > clown.
>> > > Come back when you actually know something about electronics. You
>> > constantly
>> > > spew erroneous information, then get pissed when people try to
>> explain
>> > your
>> > > error. At least when I make a mistake when I post, I will thank
>> the folks
>> > that
>> > > took the time to correct me. All you can do is get defensive and
>> always
>> > claim
>> > > that you're right. As I said before, you're a legend in your own
>> mind.
>> > But
>> > > only yours.
>> > > I've never seen anyone so lacking in knowledge with such an
>> inflated ego.
>> > Like
>> > > Clint Eastwood once said:
>> > >
>> > > A man's got to know his limitations.
>> > > YEAH, and I bet your inflatable doll knows yours
>> > What a tool.
>> > S-video cables are called everything from s-vhs to svhs to s-video,
>> and if
>> > you werent a wet behind the ears pup who doesnt know shit from
>> shinola you'd
>> > know that.
>> > I've been hooking together systems since before you were a gleam in
>> your
>> > moms customers eye
>> > Advocating a certain type of speaker isnt attacking another, from
>> that I
>> > have heard para-what-sis are perfectly nice speakers but having
>> never heard
>> > a pair I really couldnt tell you.
>> > And yeah, there are better speakers than beemers, but for the price
>> you wont
>> > beat them. The 3,000$ maggies were exquisite, as were the 77,000
>> utopia
>> > grands, but I thought this was a group for mass market home theater
>> advice
>> > What "jeff" needs to do is get the chip off of his shoulder, and the
>> corncob
>> > out of his ass
>> > Your the type of weenie who knows the meaning of a lot of words and
>> > understands absolutely nothing about what they describe
>> > I never said that I was some kind of electronics wizard and if you
>> inferred
>> > that thats YOUR problem, numnutz.
>> > I do know more than you, but than again so does a trained seal
>> > > Jeff
>> > >
>>
>> You already replied citing the above quoted text on January 6th. And
>> you did the same thing on January 18th. And I'm the one that's fucked
>> up? Your idiocy/ignorance is known to all here. No one constantly
>> busts my chops for constantly posting erroneous information. It's YOU
>> they attack, because while I made ONE mistake, you make them
>> constantly. Why is it so difficult for you to understand the reasons
>> why you are attacked? Why do you constantly state opinions as though
>> they are facts? And why do you insist on constantly posting
>> misinformation? Come on SMARTASS, EXPLAIN TO ME WHY EVERYONE HERE
>> TREATS YOU LIKE YOU"RE AN UNINFORMED IDIOT? Or haven't you noticed?
>> Let's see you B.S. your way out of answering this one!

> Not everyone, just representatives from the Canadian speaker industry who
> are pissed because I bother to point out just how mediocre Canadian
> speakers
> are, well built but no soul whatsoever.
> As for making one mistake which one is that, living in a second rate
> Country
> like Canada?
> Or being a pompous horses ass who thinks HE knows everything but wasnt
> even
> a gleam in whatever paying customer his mom serviced the night he was
> conceived when I was learning about the basics of color TV in electronics
> class.
> AND finally you seem to be the only one doing the attacking, you argue
> sematics that really dont mean a damn thing, like for instance I refer to
> s-video cables as svhs cables sometimes, this is because I used these
> cables
> primarily for svhs decks for years, probably while you were getting beat
> up
> in preschool, yeah, this is really a huge crime, better string me up.
> Yeah, whores from whatever industry is paying you this week are all the
> same, harraung somebody on minor matters and keep pounding away because
> somebody might decide not to buy the mediocre product your hawking because
> someone in a news group said it was mediocre, never mind the fact that a
> listening session will betray that in short order
> Do I make mistakes? Sure, but so does everybody else,
> one guy in this group said in the same post that the new tv standard was
> digital, not hdtv and then turned around and said ED televisions were HDTV
> because they were part of the new standard! which would imply that the
> new
> standard is HDTV, which is a contradiction to what he had said earlier.
> And yeah sometimes I add something to what I already said, sorry but I
> didnt
> know you could only respond ONCE TO A POST, oh great arbiter of what is
> good in newsgroups, I was posting to these groups when they were still
> primarily asci II and green screens, assmunch.\
> Maybe I post some things on here to spark debate, to stir things up, when
> I
> returned here several months ago it had degenerated to a deal where
> asswipes
> like you who have to read the instructions to program your shiny new clock
> radio could lord it over newbies who came here for advice, not knowing the
> difference between coax digital cable and coax 75ohm cable, and egomaniacs
> like you can feel so good because you do know, not good enough to get it
> up
> for your boyfriend maybe, lets not get carried away, NOTHING could make a
> nimrod like you have the ability to do anything but run your mouth,
> something you do with great authority, never mind that you have the
> personality of a damp paper towel, if your other countrymen are like you
> it
> might explain why your speakers are so bland, you cant take a joke,
> sarcasm
> flys right over your head and autistic children have a better time
> understanding inuendo.
> Buttwipes like you make cardboard seem exciting by comparison
> NOW GET BACK TO PLAYING WITH YOUR DOLLS LITTLE MAN....because your
> really
> boring the pee outta me

Steve, your absolutely clueless!! You know just enough about this hobby to
be dangerous and you spew all over the place as if your an expert, which you
certainly are not. Many of us monitoring these groups have been into this
for a long time and own equipment much better than yours and know what good
equipment sounds like, which you obviously do not. The Canadian's make some
damned fine sounding speakers. Have you never hear of the PSB Stratus
series? Energy? Paradigm? Each of these have speakers that are VERY good
and will smoke the tweeters right off your low end B&W wannabee's. When you
tried to claim your B&W's imaged better than "any" Magnaplaner, you showed
exactly how little you know. You jumped in on one thread trying to explain
what a damping factor was and was so far in left field that it wasn't even
funny. You got schooled, but that didn't stop you. You even went as far as
trying to say the damping factor of an amp is what determines how good it
sounds, and nothing could be further from the truth. Have you never heard a
really good tube amp? But, then again, you probably don't like the sound of
tube equipment. Probably doesn't sound nearly as good as your solid state
receiver with a decent damping factor. No, the gentlemen who your arguing
with is not the only one who disagrees with you, many do and have told you
so. But, each time you get into a squabble with someone, you claim they are
the only person who disagrees. I know, you said the same thing to me. You
really need to know what your talking about before you state something as a
fact, because there are people who know when your wrong (which is fairly
often). Now settle down, do some more reading, listening and learning, and
come back when you have something constructive and intelligent to add.
Until then, give all of us a break!

[David B.]

Jack Dotson wrote:
> You really need to know what your talking about before you state
> something as a fact, because there are people who know when your
> wrong (which is fairly often). Now settle down, do some more
> reading, listening and learning, and come back when you have
> something constructive and intelligent to add. Until then, give all
> of us a break!

Steve has been given this good advice on a weekly if not daily basis for
months. He's a troll. He dosen't believe the stupidity that he spews.
He just likes to see our reaction. I gave up on it. I don't like
kill files but I've made an exception in his case. He knows what he
posts is idiotic. That's the reason he posts it.

David

[Jack Dotson]

"David B." <BikeMan@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:VAnUd.39688$nC5.8775@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Jack Dotson wrote:
>> You really need to know what your talking about before you state
>> something as a fact, because there are people who know when your
>> wrong (which is fairly often). Now settle down, do some more
>> reading, listening and learning, and come back when you have
>> something constructive and intelligent to add. Until then, give all
>> of us a break!
>
> Steve has been given this good advice on a weekly if not daily basis for
> months. He's a troll. He dosen't believe the stupidity that he spews. He
> just likes to see our reaction. I gave up on it. I don't like kill files
> but I've made an exception in his case. He knows what he posts is
> idiotic. That's the reason he posts it.
>
> David

I see!! I only joined back onto this group a couple of months ago so I
didn't realize his history. Makes sense, I'll stop wasting my time. Thanks
for the info.

[Bill]

David B. wrote:

>Jack Dotson wrote:
>> You really need to know what your talking about before you state
>> something as a fact, because there are people who know when your
>> wrong (which is fairly often). Now settle down, do some more
>> reading, listening and learning, and come back when you have
>> something constructive and intelligent to add. Until then, give all
>> of us a break!
>
>Steve has been given this good advice on a weekly if not daily basis for
>months. He's a troll. He dosen't believe the stupidity that he spews.
> He just likes to see our reaction. I gave up on it. I don't like
>kill files but I've made an exception in his case. He knows what he
>posts is idiotic. That's the reason he posts it.

I wish I saw this post a little earlier. I'm not big on twit filters
either, but I think this guy is deserving of a filter...and there he
goes...<plonk>

:)