outlaw 950 and model 200 amp

[not@home.now]

Hi, i am new to home theater, and we have been thinking of purchasing
a outlaw 950 pre amp with the outlaw model 200 pre amps ( 200 watt
???) we have four series 5 Bose 901's and 2 series 2 Bose 901's a
pair of Bose 301's ( yes i know that the Bose are not very good
speakers in some peoples eyes, but it is what we have to work with)
and some large Klipsh floor speakers, we will more than likely use the
(4) series 5 901's for front and rear channels, and the Klipsh for the
side channels, we are going to go with a large powered subwoffer and i
do not have a clue to what to use for a center speaker. any thoughts
or recommendations for a front channels speaker? any body have any
experience with the outlaw products? maybe at some point we may get
rid of the Bose 901's but both of us like the way they sound for
stereo, we are not sure about using them as home theater speakers.
thanks for your input in advance. Greg

[not@home.now]

Thanks Jack, that is just the kind of information and help i was
looking for. the plan is to at least try the 901's for a while and
then upgrade the speakers. i do know it would be more convenient to
use the seven channel amp, but if i am going to go with separates, i
might as well go with individual amps, just for the "looks cool" part.
we have all ready run two separate 20 amp receptacles with there own
breakers, and then to a couple of ups up to the rack location,
instead of power strips and will run one more for the powered sub when
we figure out where it is going to go. thanks once again, and i may
take your advice on the seven channel amp
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:10:27 GMT, "Jack Dotson" <jdotson@stx.rr.com>
wrote:

>
><not@home.now> wrote in message
>news:stbqu0p0ilstrim67u5n3npmrn8ll88ci5@4ax.com...
>> Hi, i am new to home theater, and we have been thinking of purchasing
>> a outlaw 950 pre amp with the outlaw model 200 pre amps ( 200 watt
>> ???) we have four series 5 Bose 901's and 2 series 2 Bose 901's a
>> pair of Bose 301's ( yes i know that the Bose are not very good
>> speakers in some peoples eyes, but it is what we have to work with)
>> and some large Klipsh floor speakers, we will more than likely use the
>> (4) series 5 901's for front and rear channels, and the Klipsh for the
>> side channels, we are going to go with a large powered subwoffer and i
>> do not have a clue to what to use for a center speaker. any thoughts
>> or recommendations for a front channels speaker? any body have any
>> experience with the outlaw products? maybe at some point we may get
>> rid of the Bose 901's but both of us like the way they sound for
>> stereo, we are not sure about using them as home theater speakers.
>> thanks for your input in advance. Greg
>
>Greg, I have owned the model-950 for a couple of years and also own the
>Model-755 amp. Outlaw components are of very high quality and mine have
>performed flawlessly. If memory serves the 200M's are their 200 watt mono
>amps? Personally I would go with the multi-channel amp. Don't have to
>worry about where to plug all the A/C cords and they are made in the U.S.
>(really just rebadged ATI amp's) and the mono's are made in Taiwan.
>
>So your are looking to set up a 7.1 system, is that correct? I too fell for
>the Bose many years ago, until I discovered they just weren't "my cup of
>tea". Anyhow, if it were me I would sell everyone of them and put that
>money on the Outlaw equipment and then go for something else. However, if
>you like the speakers then use them. It's your system and if it sounds good
>to you, then that is all that matters.
>
>The one thing I can tell you about Bose is they do throw sound all over the
>room as advertised so side speakers are probably not going to be necessary
>unless you have a really long room. Since you have six of the same speaker,
>then that is the set-up I would use. Use three of your series five's for
>the front three channels, the two series two for the two rears (or sides)
>and the other series five for the rear center. Keeping all your speakers
>matched will make a big difference.
>
>The 901's are capable of handling a great deal of power and the more power
>you have the better they sound. I would not even consider a receiver for
>use with these speakers, it will only make matters worse. The big powerful
>Outlaw amp's will at least take them to their potential.
>
>Bose never advertises their frequency response for the 901's and for a good
>reason, their all over the place and in reality are a predominately midrange
>speaker. They come with an EQ (because they use several small drivers that
>when used by themselves cannot cover allot of the frequency spectrum), so
>you are going to need to match them with this as much as you can. A word of
>advise, less is more where frequency manipulation is concerned. They boost
>the mid-bass and the treble to make up for what is not really there. The
>one good thing about the limited high frequency response is this is actually
>desirable for movies in most cases. Not good for music, but for movies they
>may work very nicely. I would put a good sub with them (I like the SVS's)
>and cut them at about 80Hz, this way you could probably leave the EQ set
>pretty close to flat.
>
>Do not attempt to use the Klipsch with the Bose. This is about the worse
>mismatch I could possibly think of. The Klipsch are much more efficient and
>it would be hard trying to match the levels and even if you do get the
>levels matched, the Klipsch are also a much more dynamic speaker and will
>dominate the Bose.
>
>I would start out with this set-up and see how it works for you. If you
>find you don't like it, then you'll need to upgrade the Bose.
>
>Remember to keep the Bose out a bit from the rear and side walls. BTW, one
>other real nice advantage of the Bose is that you can also try and run all
>of them full range. Don't use the 90Hz cut mentioned previously, just run
>them full range and see how that sounds. I'm think for HT they might work
>very well for you.
>
>Let us know how things turn out.
>
>Regards,
>Jack
>

[Severian]

"Jack Dotson" <jdotson@stx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:7yDHd.45023$Z%.24518@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> Do not attempt to use the Klipsch with the Bose. This is about the worse
> mismatch I could possibly think of. The Klipsch are much more efficient
and
> it would be hard trying to match the levels and even if you do get the
> levels matched, the Klipsch are also a much more dynamic speaker and will
> dominate the Bose.

Excellent point. Not only are Klipsch speakers far far more efficient and
dynamic, the design philosophy of the two are diametrically opposed, Bose
favoring a lot of reflected sound, and Klipsch favoring controlled
directivity through the use of horns, to limit reflections.

[Jack Dotson]

<not@home.now> wrote in message
news:stbqu0p0ilstrim67u5n3npmrn8ll88ci5@4ax.com...
> Hi, i am new to home theater, and we have been thinking of purchasing
> a outlaw 950 pre amp with the outlaw model 200 pre amps ( 200 watt
> ???) we have four series 5 Bose 901's and 2 series 2 Bose 901's a
> pair of Bose 301's ( yes i know that the Bose are not very good
> speakers in some peoples eyes, but it is what we have to work with)
> and some large Klipsh floor speakers, we will more than likely use the
> (4) series 5 901's for front and rear channels, and the Klipsh for the
> side channels, we are going to go with a large powered subwoffer and i
> do not have a clue to what to use for a center speaker. any thoughts
> or recommendations for a front channels speaker? any body have any
> experience with the outlaw products? maybe at some point we may get
> rid of the Bose 901's but both of us like the way they sound for
> stereo, we are not sure about using them as home theater speakers.
> thanks for your input in advance. Greg

Greg, I have owned the model-950 for a couple of years and also own the
Model-755 amp. Outlaw components are of very high quality and mine have
performed flawlessly. If memory serves the 200M's are their 200 watt mono
amps? Personally I would go with the multi-channel amp. Don't have to
worry about where to plug all the A/C cords and they are made in the U.S.
(really just rebadged ATI amp's) and the mono's are made in Taiwan.

So your are looking to set up a 7.1 system, is that correct? I too fell for
the Bose many years ago, until I discovered they just weren't "my cup of
tea". Anyhow, if it were me I would sell everyone of them and put that
money on the Outlaw equipment and then go for something else. However, if
you like the speakers then use them. It's your system and if it sounds good
to you, then that is all that matters.

The one thing I can tell you about Bose is they do throw sound all over the
room as advertised so side speakers are probably not going to be necessary
unless you have a really long room. Since you have six of the same speaker,
then that is the set-up I would use. Use three of your series five's for
the front three channels, the two series two for the two rears (or sides)
and the other series five for the rear center. Keeping all your speakers
matched will make a big difference.

The 901's are capable of handling a great deal of power and the more power
you have the better they sound. I would not even consider a receiver for
use with these speakers, it will only make matters worse. The big powerful
Outlaw amp's will at least take them to their potential.

Bose never advertises their frequency response for the 901's and for a good
reason, their all over the place and in reality are a predominately midrange
speaker. They come with an EQ (because they use several small drivers that
when used by themselves cannot cover allot of the frequency spectrum), so
you are going to need to match them with this as much as you can. A word of
advise, less is more where frequency manipulation is concerned. They boost
the mid-bass and the treble to make up for what is not really there. The
one good thing about the limited high frequency response is this is actually
desirable for movies in most cases. Not good for music, but for movies they
may work very nicely. I would put a good sub with them (I like the SVS's)
and cut them at about 80Hz, this way you could probably leave the EQ set
pretty close to flat.

Do not attempt to use the Klipsch with the Bose. This is about the worse
mismatch I could possibly think of. The Klipsch are much more efficient and
it would be hard trying to match the levels and even if you do get the
levels matched, the Klipsch are also a much more dynamic speaker and will
dominate the Bose.

I would start out with this set-up and see how it works for you. If you
find you don't like it, then you'll need to upgrade the Bose.

Remember to keep the Bose out a bit from the rear and side walls. BTW, one
other real nice advantage of the Bose is that you can also try and run all
of them full range. Don't use the 90Hz cut mentioned previously, just run
them full range and see how that sounds. I'm think for HT they might work
very well for you.

Let us know how things turn out.

Regards,
Jack

[not@home.now]

Hi Ric, i always thought they sounded ok, but i have spent WAY to many
years around Harleys and airplanes, and have been a competitive
shooter for many years, so my hearing may not be the best in the
world. see you in the Corvette group, Greg
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:47:00 -0600, RicSeyler <ricseyler@SPAMgulf.net>
wrote:

>Those ole 901's were to awful bad were they??
>They weren't famous for any lows or low-mids but
>were pretty good for their imaging, I thought.
>But I'm talking about what I remember from the late '70s
>Which ain't a whole lot. LOLOLOL
>
>A step above the wimpy HTiB Bose stuff?
>
>Bill wrote:
>
>>not@home.now wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi, i am new to home theater, and we have been thinking of purchasing
>>>a outlaw 950 pre amp with the outlaw model 200 pre amps ( 200 watt
>>>???) we have four series 5 Bose 901's and 2 series 2 Bose 901's a
>>>pair of Bose 301's ( yes i know that the Bose are not very good
>>>speakers in some peoples eyes, but it is what we have to work with)
>>>and some large Klipsh floor speakers, we will more than likely use the
>>>(4) series 5 901's for front and rear channels, and the Klipsh for the
>>>side channels, we are going to go with a large powered subwoffer and i
>>>do not have a clue to what to use for a center speaker. any thoughts
>>>or recommendations for a front channels speaker? any body have any
>>>experience with the outlaw products? maybe at some point we may get
>>>rid of the Bose 901's but both of us like the way they sound for
>>>stereo, we are not sure about using them as home theater speakers.
>>>thanks for your input in advance. Greg
>>>
>>>
>>
>>No offence, but buying the Outlaw gear to drive Bose speakers is like
>>buying a Ferrari engine to drive a VW Beetle...it's a complete waste of
>>resources and money. Don't get me wrong, the Outlaw stuff is very good,
>>but you simply don't need that level of gear for your speakers.
>>
>>Also, trying to get a good match with the Klipsch and Bose speakers is
>>just not likely as they have a completely different sound to them.
>>Mismatched speakers will not sound as good as they should. But then if
>>you've never heard good sound, you won't know what you're missing. :)
>>
>>So it sounds to me like you just want to get into home theater sound
>>without seriously considering your equipment. In that case, I suggest
>>you go out and get a decent $200-300 surround receiver from any of the
>>chain stores. Pioneer or Yamaha receivers will do more than you need and
>>save you quite a few bucks in the process.
>>
>>Then when you're ready to upgrade to serious sound quality, go out and
>>buy a good set of properly matched speakers from any of the respected
>>and well known brands, like PSB, Mirage, B&W, Paradigm, NHT, etc. The
>>difference is quite noticeable.
>>
>>

[RicSeyler]

Those ole 901's were to awful bad were they??
They weren't famous for any lows or low-mids but
were pretty good for their imaging, I thought.
But I'm talking about what I remember from the late '70s
Which ain't a whole lot. LOLOLOL

A step above the wimpy HTiB Bose stuff?

Bill wrote:

>not@home.now wrote:
>
>
>
>>Hi, i am new to home theater, and we have been thinking of purchasing
>>a outlaw 950 pre amp with the outlaw model 200 pre amps ( 200 watt
>>???) we have four series 5 Bose 901's and 2 series 2 Bose 901's a
>>pair of Bose 301's ( yes i know that the Bose are not very good
>>speakers in some peoples eyes, but it is what we have to work with)
>>and some large Klipsh floor speakers, we will more than likely use the
>>(4) series 5 901's for front and rear channels, and the Klipsh for the
>>side channels, we are going to go with a large powered subwoffer and i
>>do not have a clue to what to use for a center speaker. any thoughts
>>or recommendations for a front channels speaker? any body have any
>>experience with the outlaw products? maybe at some point we may get
>>rid of the Bose 901's but both of us like the way they sound for
>>stereo, we are not sure about using them as home theater speakers.
>>thanks for your input in advance. Greg
>>
>>
>
>No offence, but buying the Outlaw gear to drive Bose speakers is like
>buying a Ferrari engine to drive a VW Beetle...it's a complete waste of
>resources and money. Don't get me wrong, the Outlaw stuff is very good,
>but you simply don't need that level of gear for your speakers.
>
>Also, trying to get a good match with the Klipsch and Bose speakers is
>just not likely as they have a completely different sound to them.
>Mismatched speakers will not sound as good as they should. But then if
>you've never heard good sound, you won't know what you're missing. :)
>
>So it sounds to me like you just want to get into home theater sound
>without seriously considering your equipment. In that case, I suggest
>you go out and get a decent $200-300 surround receiver from any of the
>chain stores. Pioneer or Yamaha receivers will do more than you need and
>save you quite a few bucks in the process.
>
>Then when you're ready to upgrade to serious sound quality, go out and
>buy a good set of properly matched speakers from any of the respected
>and well known brands, like PSB, Mirage, B&W, Paradigm, NHT, etc. The
>difference is quite noticeable.
>
>

--
Ric Seyler

--------------------------------------
"Homer no function beer well without."
- H.J. Simpson

[not@home.now]

i plan to upgrade the speakers at some point, but it will be at least
six months, as far as a cheap receiver, i have not been able to find a
low end receiver that has the pre amp out and main amp in to hook up
the 901's. and you are more than likely right, i probably do not know
what i am missing, i just can not justify spending the money on
speakers at this point, as my budget is only about $4000.00 so i am
going to have to do this a little at a time, the receiver and amps
first, and then in a few months, do a speaker upgrade. i do thank you
for your input, but this is what i have to work with for now. Greg
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:31:36 -0500, Bill <bill@c.a> wrote:

>not@home.now wrote:
>
>>Hi, i am new to home theater, and we have been thinking of purchasing
>>a outlaw 950 pre amp with the outlaw model 200 pre amps ( 200 watt
>>???) we have four series 5 Bose 901's and 2 series 2 Bose 901's a
>>pair of Bose 301's ( yes i know that the Bose are not very good
>>speakers in some peoples eyes, but it is what we have to work with)
>>and some large Klipsh floor speakers, we will more than likely use the
>>(4) series 5 901's for front and rear channels, and the Klipsh for the
>>side channels, we are going to go with a large powered subwoffer and i
>>do not have a clue to what to use for a center speaker. any thoughts
>>or recommendations for a front channels speaker? any body have any
>>experience with the outlaw products? maybe at some point we may get
>>rid of the Bose 901's but both of us like the way they sound for
>>stereo, we are not sure about using them as home theater speakers.
>>thanks for your input in advance. Greg
>
>No offence, but buying the Outlaw gear to drive Bose speakers is like
>buying a Ferrari engine to drive a VW Beetle...it's a complete waste of
>resources and money. Don't get me wrong, the Outlaw stuff is very good,
>but you simply don't need that level of gear for your speakers.
>
>Also, trying to get a good match with the Klipsch and Bose speakers is
>just not likely as they have a completely different sound to them.
>Mismatched speakers will not sound as good as they should. But then if
>you've never heard good sound, you won't know what you're missing. :)
>
>So it sounds to me like you just want to get into home theater sound
>without seriously considering your equipment. In that case, I suggest
>you go out and get a decent $200-300 surround receiver from any of the
>chain stores. Pioneer or Yamaha receivers will do more than you need and
>save you quite a few bucks in the process.
>
>Then when you're ready to upgrade to serious sound quality, go out and
>buy a good set of properly matched speakers from any of the respected
>and well known brands, like PSB, Mirage, B&W, Paradigm, NHT, etc. The
>difference is quite noticeable.

[Bill]

not@home.now wrote:

>Hi, i am new to home theater, and we have been thinking of purchasing
>a outlaw 950 pre amp with the outlaw model 200 pre amps ( 200 watt
>???) we have four series 5 Bose 901's and 2 series 2 Bose 901's a
>pair of Bose 301's ( yes i know that the Bose are not very good
>speakers in some peoples eyes, but it is what we have to work with)
>and some large Klipsh floor speakers, we will more than likely use the
>(4) series 5 901's for front and rear channels, and the Klipsh for the
>side channels, we are going to go with a large powered subwoffer and i
>do not have a clue to what to use for a center speaker. any thoughts
>or recommendations for a front channels speaker? any body have any
>experience with the outlaw products? maybe at some point we may get
>rid of the Bose 901's but both of us like the way they sound for
>stereo, we are not sure about using them as home theater speakers.
>thanks for your input in advance. Greg

No offence, but buying the Outlaw gear to drive Bose speakers is like
buying a Ferrari engine to drive a VW Beetle...it's a complete waste of
resources and money. Don't get me wrong, the Outlaw stuff is very good,
but you simply don't need that level of gear for your speakers.

Also, trying to get a good match with the Klipsch and Bose speakers is
just not likely as they have a completely different sound to them.
Mismatched speakers will not sound as good as they should. But then if
you've never heard good sound, you won't know what you're missing. :)

So it sounds to me like you just want to get into home theater sound
without seriously considering your equipment. In that case, I suggest
you go out and get a decent $200-300 surround receiver from any of the
chain stores. Pioneer or Yamaha receivers will do more than you need and
save you quite a few bucks in the process.

Then when you're ready to upgrade to serious sound quality, go out and
buy a good set of properly matched speakers from any of the respected
and well known brands, like PSB, Mirage, B&W, Paradigm, NHT, etc. The
difference is quite noticeable.

[Ron]

The 901's are not magnetically shielded and might not work as a center
channel.

The reason I say might not, is because I put an unshielded Klipsch
Heresy on top of my TV one time just to hear how it sounded (all of my
speakers are Klipsch) and it did not distort the picture.

I'm guessing it's because its a rear projection (4:3) and all of the
guts are in the bottom half of the TV.

But we are talking about EIGHT magnets with the 901's.

Not to mention that the klipsch are serious speakers and the Bose are clock
radio speakers with delusions of grandeur.
DEATH TO BOSE!!!
"Severian" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jack Dotson" <jdotson@stx.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:7yDHd.45023$Z%.24518@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> > Do not attempt to use the Klipsch with the Bose. This is about the
worse
> > mismatch I could possibly think of. The Klipsch are much more efficient
> and
> > it would be hard trying to match the levels and even if you do get the
> > levels matched, the Klipsch are also a much more dynamic speaker and
will
> > dominate the Bose.
>
> Excellent point. Not only are Klipsch speakers far far more efficient and
> dynamic, the design philosophy of the two are diametrically opposed, Bose
> favoring a lot of reflected sound, and Klipsch favoring controlled
> directivity through the use of horns, to limit reflections.
>
>