Anyone played with Dynalites Genisys!!!

[hal_marson]

all i can say is - wow....

VERY cool - built to actually do all the stuff we've all been telling the joe public for ages - and in seconds...
uses all the features of the Dynalite uber intelligent equip - but with exceptionally simple end user interface...

leaves CGate dead in the water for ease and simplicity

Hal (newbie)

[chrism]

Hmmm very interesting

A couple of questions if I may.

Is it PC based? If so, what OS(s)? What does it talk to? And of course.... What $$$$

Cheers

Chris

[hal_marson]

The system is software and hardware -
little black box (genisys master) that sits on the Dynalite RS485 network (Dyna-net?) and connects to you laptop/pc via LAN...

the software runs in ;virtual space if you are not connected via lan to the master - and then if connected - you are actually running off the master...
ie: it needs no pc to operate...

$ wise - it was cheaper than my original Dynalite quote, as they didn't have to charge for anywhere near as much programming etc... It came in about the same as my CBus quote (approx $170 extra...)

They have demo'd how it programs the dynalite controllers - about 60sec's each - and the wall panels are programmed live in seconds - (just click and select functions from huge list...)

Did i mention it prints documents and draws schematics! - in MSword.. (shoulda gone apple!)

Downsides: only runs on Dynalite, Only uses Dynalite wall panels and they are not the prettiest out there... :(

Upsides - gives me full VSimple control over all functions and features, scheduling, creating macro's, button functions... and if i stuff it up - i can "rollback" to any previous point (it saves a time/datestamped snapshot of it programming every time you make a change...)

they say they will only be onsite for about 3 hrs... we will see - but fixed quote so i don't care... i already have the end user software - anyone wanna copy?? :0)

Hal

[Homesparki]

whats this about self -documentation ? Is it any good? Cause i've only seen useless self doc's from any manufacturer so far... I want real info about what wire goes where, what load goes on what channel etc...

i'm sceptical and a CBus guy - never really tried Dynalite... aren't they really expensive in comparison?
Nev

[rhamer]

It might be different now, but what put me off Dynalite way back, was the topology of the network.

It is (or was so I was told) RS485 multi drop, which means I can't do a star topology.

I did also see a demo or something on Genisys a while ago, and it did look good. But I don't think it was any more functional than toolkit, perhaps just easier to use.

Cheers

Rohan

[bazzzzt]

Dynalite run industry standard RS485 - so "best" reccommended practice is RS485 multidrop (ie loop from one to the next etc) BUT -
I know of many Dynalite installs where stars and spurs are common. At the end of the day - even at Dynalites baud of 9600 (faster than CBus) - you would have to have a network length of over 8km before you could confuse a packet with a reflection (speed of light and electrons being about the same) - Dynalite does not require network burden or termination... They also have just one network at Museum of Vic for instance - their stats say up to 65,000 devices on one network - this is possible due to their network anticollision QOS and not limited by impedance of their data network.
Cheers
Baz

[rhamer]

Hmm, I think there must be more to this story :confused:

Balanced network, with no terminator :confused:

One piece of wire up to 8km long with 65,000 devices listening on it in any topology :confused:

I've no doubt that it's a good product (now) but that good...... I'm not so sure.

Cheers

Rohan

[Frank Mc Alinden]

Well

When i decided not to use x10 for my lighting control..i emailed Dynalight and asked for a quote for some kit.....It took ( i think) approx 6 weeks before i got the quote and was then i decided to go with cbus instead......

Frank

[supes64]

Hi, just to clear all of this up. Genisys is not manufactured by Dynalite. It is manufactured by one of thier distributors. As far as I know the prouct is not authorised by Dynalite, although it makes their system a whole lot easier to commission quickly.

The documetation it creates is really quite exhaustive, detailing what each button does and what each circuit is connected to including product diagrams demonstrating this. When I saw it demo'd at CEDIA last year it took about 30 secs to create over 30 pages of DOCS..

http://genisysautomation.com.au

Also Dynalite has released a new range of interchangeable panels with glass fronts, caeser stone etc, any finish snaps on. Quite a departure from the brushed stainless stell panles they have had for almost 20 years (aka the CBUS Reflection) .http://www.dynalite-online.com/frames/products.htm
Follow the user interaces link on this page.

The only bad thing about Genisys is that it takes what is truley a distributed system (Where each panel and each dimmer allows for conditional and sequential logic without the need for a pascal module, and 170 presets per area! ) and dumbs it down to a centralised system that needs a head end conditional controller to run it.

Anyway just thought I should clear that up worth looking at if you want to cut down your commissiong time with Dynalite gear or want to allow the end user to make changes themselves.

[supes64]

Well

When i decided not to use x10 for my lighting control..i emailed Dynalight and asked for a quote for some kit.....It took ( i think) approx 6 weeks before i got the quote and was then i decided to go with cbus instead......

Frank
Ah Dynalite and X10 aren't really in the same league my friend. 6 weeks sux.

[bazzzzt]

Spoke to Dynalite HQ in sydney -
Genisys is an "Authorised Dynalite partner product" - created by one of their distributors - Qld?
Another authorised product is AXA - who is Dynalite Qld and manufacture a whole range of accessories for smart homes (like audio matricies, video switchers etc) that run on Dynalite's network.

I saw it at Cedia last year - very quick, and efficient - good end user control - very very simple - but well thought out and Vgood range of features. (Clipsal Toolkit "should" be this simple and straightforward...! but it ain't...)

Genisys also has a 'failsafe" in that each distributed Dynalite panel is also programmed by it to take over should their black box go missing - so not truely centralised, and not truely distributed.

[Forumadmin]

i'm sceptical and a CBus guy - never really tried Dynalite...
Nev
Nev,
How come you have a dynalite website, which at this point in time will remain nameless, linking your IP address and yet no nothing of Dynalite?

If fact how come you as Homesparki, bazzzzt, hal_marson, M.Net and Nate all share the same westnet IP address and seem to be posting in this forum, with a slant?

This will be good ;)

[Forumadmin]

I guess I should point out to all reading this thread that ALL IP's that touch this site either guest, member or spider are logged. I have no use for this information except when I smell a conspiracy cooking. I would also point out that cloaking into this site is also logged and not appreciated.


Now all is fair in love and war but if people are pretending to be someone, they are not, then they will come unstuck eventually.


I'm not pointing the bone at anyone just yet but I believe an explaination is due guy/s.


It's a good discussion however, just the same :rolleyes:

[rhamer]

I kind of thought there was some sort of organised effort to promote Dynalite, but I didn't suspect it was all the same person.........or is it?

Cheers

Rohan

[Forumadmin]

Hi Rohan,
Well we shall see. I have a feeling its different people with different log-in's from the same company that promote Dynalite, AMX and Phast.
Not that there is anything wrong with that. But claiming that "never really tried Dynalite" is pushing the envelope.

Either way I'm looking forward to my question being answered.

[Forumadmin]

Spoke to Dynalite HQ in sydney -
Genisys is an "Authorised Dynalite partner product" - created by one of their distributors - Qld?

Actually Baz there are, shall we say, certain similarties between your IP address and Genisys that could do with an explaination.
I'm sure you know what I mean ;)

It could be time to come clean.

[Forumadmin]

This just leaves Supes64,

What I don't understand guys is this. If you want to promote your product, your web site, your navel for that matter all you have to do is ask.

Blantant attempts to spam here, is not that intelligent for a company to get involved in.

I might have to give Matt a call if no one is game to come clean.

I'm waiting....

[David.S]

Hi there forumbians -
it has come to our attention thisafternoon that one of our over zealous staff has been having little conversations with himself on your forum to help get the word out about our product Genisys.
- he has been flayed alive, drawn and quartered and is sitting by himself chatting away until the medications arrive...
our apologies -
Naturally we welcome anyone to visit www.genisysautomation.com.au or email us to get more "direct" infomation
David Sparrow
Managing Director - Light Application

[M.Net]

Gentlemen, I can not tell you how ~very disappointed I am to have read the previous posts. While David's email above has let you know what has happened 'in a nut shell' I wish to add my 2c worth as I take this quite seriously.

This morning started for me with an email from a member of Dynalite who simply let me know that a thread regarding Genisys has appeared on this forum, and I have to say I was delighted and clicked away with interest.

This lead me to register this morning as user "M.Net", quite legitimately (as I'm sure the forum administrator can see) and with proper email details etc so that I could periodically "check in" and offer any answers to question there might be etc.

At the office I was naturally happy to point out to everyone that a thread had begun and so of course staff also clicked in for a look.
It was later when I read about IP's, multiple users and so on that I became aware of what you are already aware of.
To say that I and my staff are disappointed and embarrassed is an understatement, as we were all reading the threads ourselves!
For the person involved, what was perhaps a seemingly harmless attempt to start the ball rolling, has now turned into egg-on-face.
Please be aware that has been narrowed down to simply one person and that this in nothing to do with Dynalite whatsoever, and certainly not the way that Genisys Automation conducts itself either.

What the forum administrator decides to do with this thread is of course entirely at his discretion, if I had my way of course I would ask that it please be deleted entirely once you have had a chance to read this. I can only apologise to all who have read or taken part in the thread and offer that if there are any real questions about Genisys and its capabilities to please fire away - I am more than happy to answer your questions.

Matt James-Wallace
Technical Director,
Genisys Automation.

[Forumadmin]

Hi there forumbians -
it has come to our attention thisafternoon that one of our over zealous staff has been having little conversations with himself on your forum to help get the word out about our product Genisys.
- he has been flayed alive, drawn and quartered and is sitting by himself chatting away until the medications arrive...
our apologies -
Naturally we welcome anyone to visit www.genisysautomation.com.au (http://www.genisysautomation.com.au) or email us to get more "direct" infomation
David Sparrow
Managing Director - Light Application
Hi David,
Thanks for the explaination. It seems your staff member did a good job all by himself. The word appears to be out quite a bit.
Since this is your second post in 2.5 years I was wondering if you might like to comment on your first post.
http://www.integratorsforum.com/showthread.php?p=17#post17

After all, a slap and run is not the best way to kick off a relationship now is it.
Cheers

[Forumadmin]

Gentlemen, I can not tell you how ~very disappointed I am to have read the previous posts. While David's email above has let you know what has happened 'in a nut shell' I wish to add my 2c worth as I take this quite seriously.
Matt,
Thankyou for taking the time to respond. Its not a great look for any company thats for sure. You have mail.
Cheers