Got my 1014

[Youngin...]

Well i'm just about to sit down and watch "Troy" as my first movie
with it. It could have been slightly easier to set up and the binding
posts are a little weak but so far so good. Also the on screen menu is
for setup only and could be much much better. Does anybody know about
setting the subwoofer with this receiver. All I seem to be able to do
is set my front speakers to small or large. Should I set the sub's
crossover up all the way and where should I set the sub's volume?
Well off to watch the movie with the wife.

young...

[Bob]

"Youngin..." <youngmarin@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:StOdnXVNH-2oo37cRVn-1A@rogers.com...
> Well i'm just about to sit down and watch "Troy" as my first movie
> with it. It could have been slightly easier to set up and the binding
> posts are a little weak but so far so good. Also the on screen menu is
> for setup only and could be much much better. Does anybody know about
> setting the subwoofer with this receiver. All I seem to be able to do
> is set my front speakers to small or large. Should I set the sub's
> crossover up all the way and where should I set the sub's volume?
> Well off to watch the movie with the wife.
>
> young...


RTFM.

[Youngin...]

Read it but it doesn't say anything about where to have the subwoofer
settings. I am guessing that I should have the subwoofer crossover
turned all the way up so the receiver can handle it.

young...

Bob wrote:
> "Youngin..." <youngmarin@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:StOdnXVNH-2oo37cRVn-1A@rogers.com...
>
>> Well i'm just about to sit down and watch "Troy" as my first movie
>>with it. It could have been slightly easier to set up and the binding
>>posts are a little weak but so far so good. Also the on screen menu is
>>for setup only and could be much much better. Does anybody know about
>>setting the subwoofer with this receiver. All I seem to be able to do
>>is set my front speakers to small or large. Should I set the sub's
>>crossover up all the way and where should I set the sub's volume?
>>Well off to watch the movie with the wife.
>>
>>young...
>
>
>
> RTFM.
>
>

[Bob]

Well, congrats for reading the manual (most people don't), and also for
knowing what RTFM means :-)

If your main speakers are small (like bookshelf size) then you should set
the receiver as such. When the receiver is set to "small fronts/rears" then
it will only pass the high frequencies to the mains. Either the manual
and/or the setup menu should tell you where the high-pass frequency is
(usually 80, 100, or 120Hz). Set your subwoofer to the same frequency.

The best thing to do is to get a test disc (like Avia) and use the audio
tone sweeps to listen to the speakers at various frequencies. Set the
subwoofer and main highpass points and levels until the sound is smooth and
even over the sweep range. Your ears are the best tools, but you need a good
source of tones (at many frequencies).

Bob


"Youngin..." <youngmarin@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:LvWdnW92vYUG7n7cRVn-uQ@rogers.com...
> Read it but it doesn't say anything about where to have the subwoofer
> settings. I am guessing that I should have the subwoofer crossover
> turned all the way up so the receiver can handle it.
>
> young...
>
> Bob wrote:
> > "Youngin..." <youngmarin@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > news:StOdnXVNH-2oo37cRVn-1A@rogers.com...
> >
> >> Well i'm just about to sit down and watch "Troy" as my first movie
> >>with it. It could have been slightly easier to set up and the binding
> >>posts are a little weak but so far so good. Also the on screen menu is
> >>for setup only and could be much much better. Does anybody know about
> >>setting the subwoofer with this receiver. All I seem to be able to do
> >>is set my front speakers to small or large. Should I set the sub's
> >>crossover up all the way and where should I set the sub's volume?
> >>Well off to watch the movie with the wife.
> >>
> >>young...
> >
> >
> >
> > RTFM.
> >
> >

[Youngin...]

I used Digital Video Essentials and it helped some. All in all I thought
the MCACC worked pretty well. I measured the speaker distances and it
was right on all of them except the sub where it was off by 2.5 feet. I
am using tower speakers up front but still set my speaker size to small.
I have it sounding pretty close to where I like it but it probably
won't be just right until I get some new speakers. Like I said before I
can't find anywhere where it says to have the subs settings.

young...

Bob wrote:
> Well, congrats for reading the manual (most people don't), and also for
> knowing what RTFM means :-)
>
> If your main speakers are small (like bookshelf size) then you should set
> the receiver as such. When the receiver is set to "small fronts/rears" then
> it will only pass the high frequencies to the mains. Either the manual
> and/or the setup menu should tell you where the high-pass frequency is
> (usually 80, 100, or 120Hz). Set your subwoofer to the same frequency.
>
> The best thing to do is to get a test disc (like Avia) and use the audio
> tone sweeps to listen to the speakers at various frequencies. Set the
> subwoofer and main highpass points and levels until the sound is smooth and
> even over the sweep range. Your ears are the best tools, but you need a good
> source of tones (at many frequencies).
>
> Bob
>
>
> "Youngin..." <youngmarin@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:LvWdnW92vYUG7n7cRVn-uQ@rogers.com...
>
>>Read it but it doesn't say anything about where to have the subwoofer
>>settings. I am guessing that I should have the subwoofer crossover
>>turned all the way up so the receiver can handle it.
>>
>>young...
>>
>>Bob wrote:
>>
>>>"Youngin..." <youngmarin@rogers.com> wrote in message
>>>news:StOdnXVNH-2oo37cRVn-1A@rogers.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well i'm just about to sit down and watch "Troy" as my first movie
>>>>with it. It could have been slightly easier to set up and the binding
>>>>posts are a little weak but so far so good. Also the on screen menu is
>>>>for setup only and could be much much better. Does anybody know about
>>>>setting the subwoofer with this receiver. All I seem to be able to do
>>>>is set my front speakers to small or large. Should I set the sub's
>>>>crossover up all the way and where should I set the sub's volume?
>>>>Well off to watch the movie with the wife.
>>>>
>>>>young...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>RTFM.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>

[Lucas Tam]

"Youngin..." <youngmarin@rogers.com> wrote in news:StOdnXVNH-2oo37cRVn-
1A@rogers.com:

> Should I set the sub's
> crossover up all the way and where should I set the sub's volume?
>

If you read the manual, it says to set the sub-volume about 1/2 way before
running the calibration program.

The crossover can be set on the receiver - if you want to use THX, it
should be set to 70hz (again it's in the manual) ; )

--
Lucas Tam (REMOVEnntp@rogers.com)
Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
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[Youngin...]

It doesn't say that in my manual that I could find, It does however say
for THX to set your speakers on small and the crossover to 80hz.

young...

Lucas Tam wrote:
> "Youngin..." <youngmarin@rogers.com> wrote in news:StOdnXVNH-2oo37cRVn-
> 1A@rogers.com:
>
>
>>Should I set the sub's
>>crossover up all the way and where should I set the sub's volume?
>>
>
>
> If you read the manual, it says to set the sub-volume about 1/2 way before
> running the calibration program.
>
> The crossover can be set on the receiver - if you want to use THX, it
> should be set to 70hz (again it's in the manual) ; )
>

[azzure@olypen.com]

Youngin... wrote:
> It doesn't say that in my manual that I could find, It does however say
> for THX to set your speakers on small and the crossover to 80hz.
>
> young...
>
> Lucas Tam wrote:
>
>> "Youngin..." <youngmarin@rogers.com> wrote in news:StOdnXVNH-2oo37cRVn-
>> 1A@rogers.com:
>>
>>
>>> Should I set the sub's crossover up all the way and where should I
>>> set the sub's volume?
>>>
>>
>>
>> If you read the manual, it says to set the sub-volume about 1/2 way
>> before running the calibration program.
>>
>> The crossover can be set on the receiver - if you want to use THX, it
>> should be set to 70hz (again it's in the manual) ; )
>>

If you're asking about the level setting on the back of the subwoofer
itself it's usually best to set it high so it doesn't interfere with the
crossover frequency being used by the receiver. Youngin's advice about
THX setting on the receiver comes from the manual and I assume he's
right. But you do want a good blend with your speakers. If they're
small I would set it higher.
Experiment.

The sub's volume is best at about half unless the receiver's settings
don't allow for correct adjustment. But start at half and go up or down
from there.

And ears are good but an SPL meter is better. Radio Shack - Analog is
what I prefer. It really makes a difference you'll be able to hear.
The Sub is usually way off when set by ear. The whole system will sound
better. I was of the mind that ears are better instruments but they
aren't objective enough. (IMO)

Good luck.

[Youngin...]

I don't own an SPL meter but I can borrow one from work so I will
probably use it this weekend. Right now I have the sub's crossover
maxed out at 120 and the volume set at 7. I have the receivers
crossover set at 80hz and the speakers set to small. I have an Athena
ASP300 8" sub and i've found I have to run the volume around 7 to get it
equal with my fronts (pioneer 4 way towers w/12" woofer). I am planning
on upgrading my speakers real soon though.

young...

azzure@olypen.com wrote:
> Youngin... wrote:
>
>> It doesn't say that in my manual that I could find, It does however
>> say for THX to set your speakers on small and the crossover to 80hz.
>>
>> young...
>>
>> Lucas Tam wrote:
>>
>>> "Youngin..." <youngmarin@rogers.com> wrote in news:StOdnXVNH-2oo37cRVn-
>>> 1A@rogers.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Should I set the sub's crossover up all the way and where should I
>>>> set the sub's volume?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you read the manual, it says to set the sub-volume about 1/2 way
>>> before running the calibration program.
>>>
>>> The crossover can be set on the receiver - if you want to use THX, it
>>> should be set to 70hz (again it's in the manual) ; )
>>>
>
> If you're asking about the level setting on the back of the subwoofer
> itself it's usually best to set it high so it doesn't interfere with the
> crossover frequency being used by the receiver. Youngin's advice about
> THX setting on the receiver comes from the manual and I assume he's
> right. But you do want a good blend with your speakers. If they're
> small I would set it higher.
> Experiment.
>
> The sub's volume is best at about half unless the receiver's settings
> don't allow for correct adjustment. But start at half and go up or down
> from there.
>
> And ears are good but an SPL meter is better. Radio Shack - Analog is
> what I prefer. It really makes a difference you'll be able to hear. The
> Sub is usually way off when set by ear. The whole system will sound
> better. I was of the mind that ears are better instruments but they
> aren't objective enough. (IMO)
>
> Good luck.
>

[Rich Clark]

"Bob" <nimby1_notspamm_@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:CRKEd.4068$Ii4.411@newsread3.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> Well, congrats for reading the manual (most people don't), and also for
> knowing what RTFM means :-)
>
> If your main speakers are small (like bookshelf size) then you should set
> the receiver as such. When the receiver is set to "small fronts/rears"
> then
> it will only pass the high frequencies to the mains. Either the manual
> and/or the setup menu should tell you where the high-pass frequency is
> (usually 80, 100, or 120Hz). Set your subwoofer to the same frequency.

No, that's wrong. Use the receiver's crossover, and set the sub's crossover
to its highest setting (or "off") so that it won't interfere with the
receiver's crossover.

Using two different crossovers on the same signal may cause unpredictable
results if there's a difference in the slope, or a slight difference in the
actual frequency selected. Besides, there's no point in using the sub's
crossover if the decoder is handling the chore.

> The best thing to do is to get a test disc (like Avia) and use the audio
> tone sweeps to listen to the speakers at various frequencies. Set the
> subwoofer and main highpass points and levels until the sound is smooth
> and
> even over the sweep range. Your ears are the best tools, but you need a
> good
> source of tones (at many frequencies).

No argument there, but this has nothing to do with whether or not to use
both crossovers.

RichC

[azzure@olypen.com]

Youngin... wrote:
> I don't own an SPL meter but I can borrow one from work so I will
> probably use it this weekend. Right now I have the sub's crossover
> maxed out at 120 and the volume set at 7. I have the receivers
> crossover set at 80hz and the speakers set to small. I have an Athena
> ASP300 8" sub and i've found I have to run the volume around 7 to get it
> equal with my fronts (pioneer 4 way towers w/12" woofer). I am planning
> on upgrading my speakers real soon though.


I really like Athena's point 5 speakers! I auditioned them for a while
and the sound was very clear. Excellent transient response and clarity.
However, I didn't have a good enough sub so I am using Dynaco A25s for
the front and an ESS for the Center.
If I had an Athena sub I might have kept the point 5s. I felt they
lacked in the low mid/bass area. They do have speakers with larger
woofers. I'll bet they are sweet sounding.

I really do find an improvement using an SPL meter. And whenever I
change speaker placement or even add large objects to the room I notice
it affects one speaker or another.

Good luck.

[Bob]

"Rich Clark" <rdclark2SPAM@TRAPcomcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Bob" <nimby1_notspamm_@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:CRKEd.4068$Ii4.411@newsread3.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> > Well, congrats for reading the manual (most people don't), and also for
> > knowing what RTFM means :-)
> >
> > If your main speakers are small (like bookshelf size) then you should
set
> > the receiver as such. When the receiver is set to "small fronts/rears"
> > then
> > it will only pass the high frequencies to the mains. Either the manual
> > and/or the setup menu should tell you where the high-pass frequency is
> > (usually 80, 100, or 120Hz). Set your subwoofer to the same frequency.
>
> No, that's wrong. Use the receiver's crossover, and set the sub's
crossover
> to its highest setting (or "off") so that it won't interfere with the
> receiver's crossover.
>
> Using two different crossovers on the same signal may cause unpredictable
> results if there's a difference in the slope, or a slight difference in
the
> actual frequency selected. Besides, there's no point in using the sub's
> crossover if the decoder is handling the chore.
>
> > The best thing to do is to get a test disc (like Avia) and use the audio
> > tone sweeps to listen to the speakers at various frequencies. Set the
> > subwoofer and main highpass points and levels until the sound is smooth
> > and
> > even over the sweep range. Your ears are the best tools, but you need a
> > good
> > source of tones (at many frequencies).
>
> No argument there, but this has nothing to do with whether or not to use
> both crossovers.
>
> RichC
>
>

Rich,

You are absolutely correct about setting the subwoofer's crossover to its
highest point, and letting the receiver create the highpass point for that
subwoofer. I guess this shows why I have two brain halves but only one mouth
(or something like that).

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. Sorry about that.

Bob

[Rich Clark]

"Bob" <nimby1_notspamm_@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Rich,
>
> You are absolutely correct about setting the subwoofer's crossover to its
> highest point, and letting the receiver create the highpass point for that
> subwoofer. I guess this shows why I have two brain halves but only one
> mouth
> (or something like that).
>
> Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. Sorry about
> that.

I've posted incorrect information more than once in my 18 years online.
What's important is that we correct it when we do. WTG.

RichC