Re: Seeeking link for HAI OmniPro II Web-link software.

[Alarm Pro]

"Robert L. Bass" <robertlbass@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> Have fun with HAI, I left 4 msgs for the
>> rep...hmmm...that was let's see...end of
>> Feb...guess they don't want my biz...
>
> They prefer to sell to "distributors" -- particularly ones that compete
> with dealers, selling direct to end users at "dealer" prices.


Only one HAI distributor that I know of sells to DIY, Worthington. They
understand like you do that the DIY was not a dealer client anyway. They
undercut you on a lot of equipment. Unlike you they stock what they sell and
can get product out the same day. They add at least the same amount of
value that you do. Quit whining about the competition and be glad they
don't get aggressive about the DIY market.

[Robert L. Bass]

> They understand like you do that the DIY
> was not a dealer client anyway. They undercut you on a lot of
> equipment...

They try to undercut all dealers. There are some products I sell for less
than them though. There are also lots of products I sell that they don't
carry and vice versa. They have very little impact on my business.

> Unlike you they stock what they sell...

That's not true but you wouldn't know. Only about 25% of their product is
inventoried. The rest they order as needed. I know them much better than
you do. Rich asked me to open a branch for him in Florida when I was
planning to move here. I chose to keep my own business rather than work for
a distributor.

> and can get product out the same day...

Wrong again. Their normal performance is one to three days, depending on
how busy they are. Many times they are unable to ship for a week or longer.
The vast majority of my orders ship the same day. Back ordered items, like
anyone else's in the industry, can take a week or more.

> They add at least the same amount of value that you do. Quit whining
> about
> the competition and be glad they don't
> get aggressive about the DIY market.

I don't mind competition but I don't buy from companies that try to sell to
my clients. You're welcome to buy from your competitors all you like
though. That's your decision.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
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877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
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[Robert L. Bass]

> I don't mind competition but I don't buy from
> companies that try to sell to my clients. You're welcome to buy from your
> competitors
> all you like though. That's your decision.

Hmm. I just noticed that one of the ASA folks x-posted this thread. [sigh]

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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[Alarm Pro]

> I don't mind competition but I don't buy from companies that try to sell
> to my clients. You're welcome to buy from your competitors all you like
> though. That's your decision.

As a licensed installer, I do not perceive DIY as competitors, or their
suppliers. That makes me rare in ASA, but in the long run it has paid off.
I've picked up monitoring and turnover work from DIY installations, and the
occasional part sale.

[Alarm Pro]

> Hmm. I just noticed that one of the ASA folks x-posted this thread.
> [sigh]

A low cost, stocking DIY supplier (www.worthdist.com) is useful information
here.

[Jim]

Alarm Pro wrote:
>
> As a licensed installer, I do not perceive DIY as competitors, or their
> suppliers. That makes me rare in ASA, but in the long run it has paid off.
> I've picked up monitoring and turnover work from DIY installations, and the
> occasional part sale.

I can't think of anyone "in" ASA that "perceives DIY'ers as
competitors.

I don't know of anyone who thinks of anyone else in ASA, as an actual
competitor, either.

DIY'ers, will do what they do, if they really want to. They were never
an installers client to begin with. ie, no loss. We're all DIR'ers to
some extent, so what makes alarms any different than any other home
project?

Everyone who is "in" ASA is so far removed from each other, that
there's no chance that anyone would ever be competing for the same
potential client for an installation. So on both counts, business
competition has nothing to do with ASA.

It seems to me, from your comment, that you'd have a better
"perception" of ASA if you considered the meanings of the words,
........ respect, consideration of others, social contract, courtesy,
propriety ............. and that the lack of all of these
characteristics, in Robert Bass is the cause of the condition of this
group. Couple that with his arrogant, antagonistic, belligerant and
quarellsome attitude, and ............... call what you see here
.......... the results.


If any competition exists in ASA it's between an arrogant and socially
deviant son of a bitch Robert Bass and those who will not sit idle and
say nothing to protest what he knowingly and purposefully causes in
ASA. Anyone who ignores behavior from someone such as him, enables and
condones that kind of conduct. I don't and wont. And as you can see,
with out complete sanction, he continues. So be it.

[Alarm Pro]

"Jim" <alarminex@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Alarm Pro wrote:
>>
>> As a licensed installer, I do not perceive DIY as competitors, or their
>> suppliers. That makes me rare in ASA, but in the long run it has paid
>> off.
>> I've picked up monitoring and turnover work from DIY installations, and
>> the
>> occasional part sale.
>
> I can't think of anyone "in" ASA that "perceives DIY'ers as
> competitors.
>
> I don't know of anyone who thinks of anyone else in ASA, as an actual
> competitor, either.

I've seen a fair amount of anti DIY stuff in ASA over the years. Its
mellowed some.

> DIY'ers, will do what they do, if they really want to. They were never
> an installers client to begin with. ie, no loss. We're all DIR'ers to
> some extent, so what makes alarms any different than any other home
> project?

I agree

> Everyone who is "in" ASA is so far removed from each other, that
> there's no chance that anyone would ever be competing for the same
> potential client for an installation. So on both counts, business
> competition has nothing to do with ASA.

Actually there is at least one other regular here in my general area, but we
don't compete all that often.

> It seems to me, from your comment, that you'd have a better
> "perception" of ASA....

I've been here for some time and seen all sides of it. Its just Usenet, so
I ignore it.

Best I can tell Bass did pioneer the DIY security equipment on the Internet,
but he seems to have some sort of hardon over HAI and Worthington. No idea
why, don't care either. Both provide good gear and good support to the
trade and from what I can tell the DIY community as well.

[Jim]

Alarm Pro wrote:
> "Jim" <alarminex@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1117642151.418132.38770@g44g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> >
> >
..
> >
> > I can't think of anyone "in" ASA that "perceives DIY'ers as
> > competitors.
> >
> > I don't know of anyone who thinks of anyone else in ASA, as an actual
> > competitor, either.
>
> I've seen a fair amount of anti DIY stuff in ASA over the years. Its
> mellowed some.

I've also seem some, but it's certainly not the reason that ASA is in
the condition that it's in. If anything at all, it's Bass's constant
deriding of the installation trade and installers and then has the
balls to lie about how he's still in the installation business.

>
> > It seems to me, from your comment, that you'd have a better
> > "perception" of ASA....
>
> I've been here for some time and seen all sides of it. Its just Usenet, so
> I ignore it.

Unfortunately ........ you do.

If everybody ignored all the bad behaviour and disrespect that they ran
into every day ...... why ..... why .... we'd have a society exactly
like the one we have. Just think ........ what if everyone DIDN'T
ignore unacceptable conduct ..... why .... it's almost to astonishing
to think about ... but ......... even minimally, we wouldn't even be
having this conversation.

>
> Best I can tell Bass did pioneer the DIY security equipment on the Internet,

You're absolutely wrong. People have been selling alarm equipment here
since, ..... since just about the time he started installing alarm
system without a license.

> but he seems to have some sort of hardon over HAI and Worthington. No idea
> why, don't care either.

It's quite obvious to me. He's run up against someone who knows how
insignificant he is, has no compunction about letting him know that and
treats with him with the same attitude that he would treat someone who
was insignificant to him. And there's not a damn thing he can do about
it. He don't LIKE it when some one shoves his arrogance right back up
his ass and he can't smear them or cause them some personal harm.

He doesn't like me ..... either.

> Both provide good gear and good support to the
> trade and from what I can tell the DIY community as well.

They've chosen the market path and have been a long time doing it. I
don't know how they were able to hang on so long, HAI starting out with
such an extravagant product in such a small market, but ya gotta hand
it to them. They've hung in there and I assmume they're doing OK.

Smarthome seems to be doing great also. I have no idea where they stand
in comparison to one another. Smarthome's got a new redundant HA
protocol that they're introducing. RF and X10, and it's backward
compatable. Seems like it's a combination of something like Zwave and
X10. It could catch on. It'll take some field experience before the
final verdict.

[Mark Leuck]

"Alarm Pro" <none@example.com> wrote in message
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>
> Best I can tell Bass did pioneer the DIY security equipment on the
Internet,
> but he seems to have some sort of hardon over HAI and Worthington. No
idea
> why, don't care either. Both provide good gear and good support to the
> trade and from what I can tell the DIY community as well.

Pages selling to DIY'ers have been around a lot longer than Mr Bass

[Robert L. Bass]

> As a licensed installer, I do not perceive...

Yes, I noticed that.

> DIY as competitors, or their suppliers.

The reality is that we rarely compete for the same clients.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

[Robert L. Bass]

> Pages selling to DIY'ers have been around a
> lot longer than Mr Bass...

Actually, he's not far from correct. There were a number of websites
offering security systems before I went online. Most online alarm company
offerings in those days were nothing more than advertisements for local or
regional brick and mortar dealers. Very few offered components to DIYers
and those that did usually only offered three or four package deals.

Almost none of the sites I found had an a la carte menu system like mine.
The approach proved successful fairly quickly. About two years after my
website opened something like 7 out of 10 search links for several of the
major brands I offer linked to my website. Over the next six years more and
more competitors have built sites similar to mine -- not copying, just
folks with similar ideas. Still very few offer in-depth product information
and fewer still carry as wide a product array as mine.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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[Norm Mugford]

Mr. Bass wrote:

"The reality is that we rarely compete for the same clients".

Then why do you call me a competitor Mr. Bass?....

More lies, just more lies Mr. Bass.

Norm Mugford


"Robert L. Bass" <robertlbass@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> > As a licensed installer, I do not perceive...
>
> Yes, I noticed that.
>
> > DIY as competitors, or their suppliers.
>
> The reality is that we rarely compete for the same clients.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
> =============================>
> Bass Home Electronics
> 2291 Pine View Circle
> Sarasota · Florida · 34231
> 877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
> http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
> =============================>
>
>