Re: Harvey Norman Cable Scam

[Phil Allison]

"Poxy"
>
> I think, though, that there is a difference between the "emperor has no
> clothes" type approach seen in the Hi-Fi world, where a customer is
> convinced that certain speaker cables sound better, where the only
> possible
> deception is a relatively poor understanding of the subjectivity of
> listening test,


** Sales charlatans gain a person's trust first and then exploit their
naivety - that is how fake demos work. Whether by word, voice tone, facial
expression, body langauge, inference or whatever a deception is created in
the mind of the customer - a sale then follows. That is basic consumer
fraud.


> versus a live split-scren video comparison where the
> difference is clearly evident to even the most ignorant viewer.


** It's a fake demo - a very blatant one.



> I imagine
> the ACCC will set me straight as to the likelyhood of any positive action
> to
> address this kind of scam (ie, little to none).


** The right body in NSW is Fair Trading - you can get your friend to
file a complaint report. The complaint will be referred to the store - who
will simply deny.

Better if your friend HAD bought the Monster Cable, then you demo to him
that it makes no difference when tested correctly - then HE returns the
junk for a full refund with YOU as his witness on a busy Saturday morning.

Heaps of fun.



............. Phil

[gumshoe]

I know a guy from PNG the same happened him at HN, he bought the LG
Plasma and then a bunch of Monster cables, think it was about $400
extra. While they were at it they sold him a top end Marantz amp and
Jamo speakers/sub, think in one hit was $17 grand, he paid CASH,
offered no discount, stupid him.

I had to go to HN to get a special ink cartridge last Friday, asked for
their best price on a Topfield SD TV Recorder after a haggle the guy
said $949 I said the other sales guy quoted me last Monday (which he
did) $899 he said can't possibly sell at that price. They advertise
they are the cheapest on electronic gear, don't bloody think so. Can
buy a Toppy many places in capital cities for $850 or less.


--
gumshoe

[David_MC]

gumshoe Wrote:
> I know a guy from PNG the same happened him at HN, he bought the LG
> Plasma and then a bunch of Monster cables, think it was about $400
> extra. While they were at it they sold him a top end Marantz amp and
> Jamo speakers/sub, think in one hit was $17 grand, he paid CASH,
> offered no discount, stupid him.
>
> I had to go to HN to get a special ink cartridge last Friday, asked for
> their best price on a Topfield SD TV Recorder after a haggle the guy
> said $949 I said the other sales guy quoted me last Monday (which he
> did) $899 he said can't possibly sell at that price. They advertise
> they are the cheapest on electronic gear, don't bloody think so. Can
> buy a Toppy many places in capital cities for $850 or less.


At least they advertise 110% refund if you found another seller selling
cheaper price. This is NEVER BE TRUE.

My friend bought TV and found it later to be more expensive. He went
back to HARDLY NORMAL to get the difference. The Sales told him there
were NO SUCH THING.
YEAH RIGHT...


--
David_MC

[abc@123.com]

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:36:59 +1100, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:


>
>** Sales charlatans gain a person's trust first and then exploit their
>naivety - that is how fake demos work. Whether by word, voice tone, facial
>expression, body langauge, inference or whatever a deception is created in
>the mind of the customer - a sale then follows. That is basic consumer
>fraud.


PHIL ALLISON LIKES TO POST HELP OCCAISIONALLY TO GAIN YOUR TRUST, BUT
DON'T BE FOOLED, HE IS A PAINFULL TROLL, WHO HURLS ABUSE AT EVERYONE.

>** It's a fake demo - a very blatant one.


PHIL ALLISON IS A FAKE WHEN HE PRETENDS TO CARE ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS.
A VERY BLATANT ONE.

>** The right body in NSW is Fair Trading - you can get your friend to
>file a complaint report. The complaint will be referred to the store - who
>will simply deny.


PHIL KNOWS ALL ABOUT FAIR TRADING...JUST ASK HIM ABOUT QUAD SPEAKERS.

>Better if your friend HAD bought the Monster Cable, then you demo to him
>that it makes no difference when tested correctly - then HE returns the
>junk for a full refund with YOU as his witness on a busy Saturday morning.
>
> Heaps of fun.

A HINT OF WHAT PHIL IS REALLY LIKE. HE LIVES FOR ABUSIVE ARGUMENTS.


>............ Phil Allison a vile troll.
>

[Phil Allison]

<abc@123.com> = Criminal, libelling troll



** The above anonymous, demented usenet menace needs to be dealt with - big
time.





............ Phil

[abc@123.com]

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:24:36 +1100, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

>
>** The above anonymous, demented usenet menace needs to be dealt with - big
>time.


LOL !! SPOKEN FROM A MANIAC WHO HAS STARTED 5 THREADS IN 2 DAYS!!
In aus.hi-fi ON THE SAME TOPIC !! hurling insults at everyone, when
a 2 minute local phone call in sydney to Peter Stein of ME amplifiers
would have answered his questions..but he would rather not do that.
No Phil Allison prefers to have flaming arguments in an attempt to
embarrass an ME dealer called Trevor Wilson.Even when TW answers his
questions he calls him (and these are phil Allsion's words) "A fucking
liar"...Phil has proven nothing except that he is an idiot...and his
only reply is to try and silence people that might expose his
stupidity and evil vindictiveness to other newsgroups.

But no need to take my word for it, or even Phil Allison's...just go
to aus.hi-fi and see what's been happening there in the last few
days...or ask ANYONE and I mean ANYONE in the newsgroup about Phil's
behaviour....5 threads on the one stupid topic. insane!!

He threatens those who expose him..I could imagine his type at a
crooked Casino..bashing patrons in alleyways.


>........... Phil
>

[gumshoe]

David_MC Wrote:
> At least they advertise 110% refund if you found another seller selling
> cheaper price. This is NEVER BE TRUE.
>
> My friend bought TV and found it later to be more expensive. He went
> back to HARDLY NORMAL to get the difference. The Sales told him there
> were NO SUCH THING.
> YEAH RIGHT...

As usual with TV Adverts its hard to read the small words on the
bottom. but I think if you can see them on the HN ad. its says 110%
only if you find a cheaper price at a "HN store".


--
gumshoe

[TT]

<abc@123.com> wrote in message
news:mve141h20smb210eckup5roka30e8e5u24@4ax.com...
:
Mr/Ms/Mrs abc could you please not **SHOUT ALL THE TIME**.
It is occasionally needed for emphasis but don't go over the
top.

Regards TT

[paul packer]

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:45:55 +0800, "TT" <swat@swat.com.au> wrote:

>
><abc@123.com> wrote in message
>news:mve141h20smb210eckup5roka30e8e5u24@4ax.com...
>:
>Mr/Ms/Mrs abc could you please not **SHOUT ALL THE TIME**.
>It is occasionally needed for emphasis but don't go over the
>top.
>
>Regards TT

I don't know, Terry. I think Phil's present behaviour probably
justifies shouting.

[Mike La Pietra]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3aalbuF6657d9U1@individual.net...
>
> "Poxy"
>>
>> I think, though, that there is a difference between the "emperor has no
>> clothes" type approach seen in the Hi-Fi world, where a customer is
>> convinced that certain speaker cables sound better, where the only
>> possible
>> deception is a relatively poor understanding of the subjectivity of
>> listening test,
>
>
> ** Sales charlatans gain a person's trust first and then exploit their
> naivety - that is how fake demos work. Whether by word, voice tone,
> facial expression, body langauge, inference or whatever a deception is
> created in the mind of the customer - a sale then follows. That is
> basic consumer fraud.
>
>
>> versus a live split-scren video comparison where the
>> difference is clearly evident to even the most ignorant viewer.
>
>
> ** It's a fake demo - a very blatant one.
>
>
>
>> I imagine
>> the ACCC will set me straight as to the likelyhood of any positive action
>> to
>> address this kind of scam (ie, little to none).
>
>
> ** The right body in NSW is Fair Trading - you can get your friend to
> file a complaint report. The complaint will be referred to the store -
> who will simply deny.
>
> Better if your friend HAD bought the Monster Cable, then you demo to him
> that it makes no difference when tested correctly - then HE returns the
> junk for a full refund with YOU as his witness on a busy Saturday morning.
>
> Heaps of fun.

no! Get him to go back in and claim (after very careful examination) that
the *other* picture looks better! I can see the disdained/crappy look on the
salesman's face now!

Mike

[Andrew M]

Folks, some people need an audience. You are providing them one.
If you're using Outlook Express, just do this if you don't want to hear
someone.

'Message'->'block sender'.

Done.

-Andrew M

<abc@123.com> wrote in message
news:mve141h20smb210eckup5roka30e8e5u24@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:36:59 +1100, "Phil Allison"
> <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>** Sales charlatans gain a person's trust first and then exploit their
>>naivety - that is how fake demos work. Whether by word, voice tone,
>>facial
>>expression, body langauge, inference or whatever a deception is created in
>>the mind of the customer - a sale then follows. That is basic consumer
>>fraud.
>
>
> PHIL ALLISON LIKES TO POST HELP OCCAISIONALLY TO GAIN YOUR TRUST, BUT
> DON'T BE FOOLED, HE IS A PAINFULL TROLL, WHO HURLS ABUSE AT EVERYONE.
>
>>** It's a fake demo - a very blatant one.
>
>
> PHIL ALLISON IS A FAKE WHEN HE PRETENDS TO CARE ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS.
> A VERY BLATANT ONE.
>
>>** The right body in NSW is Fair Trading - you can get your friend to
>>file a complaint report. The complaint will be referred to the store -
>>who
>>will simply deny.
>
>
> PHIL KNOWS ALL ABOUT FAIR TRADING...JUST ASK HIM ABOUT QUAD SPEAKERS.
>
>>Better if your friend HAD bought the Monster Cable, then you demo to him
>>that it makes no difference when tested correctly - then HE returns the
>>junk for a full refund with YOU as his witness on a busy Saturday morning.
>>
>> Heaps of fun.
>
> A HINT OF WHAT PHIL IS REALLY LIKE. HE LIVES FOR ABUSIVE ARGUMENTS.
>
>
>>............ Phil Allison a vile troll.
>>
>

[TT]

"paul packer" <packer@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:42410ebf.3363796@news.iprimus.com.au...
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:45:55 +0800, "TT"
<swat@swat.com.au> wrote:
>
> >
> ><abc@123.com> wrote in message
> >news:mve141h20smb210eckup5roka30e8e5u24@4ax.com...
> >:
> >Mr/Ms/Mrs abc could you please not **SHOUT ALL THE
TIME**.
> >It is occasionally needed for emphasis but don't go over
the
> >top.
> >
> >Regards TT
>
> I don't know, Terry. I think Phil's present behaviour
probably
> justifies shouting.

Was it Mr. Norman Syngent Pole-vaulter from Monty Python
that enjoyed shouting all the time?

TT ;-)

[Craig Hart]

Probably just a case of incompetent salesman failing to articulate what he
was actually demonstrating.

component is better than composite, and a component cable costs a few bux
more. end of story.


"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3aalbuF6657d9U1@individual.net...
>
> "Poxy"
> >
> > I think, though, that there is a difference between the "emperor has no
> > clothes" type approach seen in the Hi-Fi world, where a customer is
> > convinced that certain speaker cables sound better, where the only
> > possible
> > deception is a relatively poor understanding of the subjectivity of
> > listening test,
>
>
> ** Sales charlatans gain a person's trust first and then exploit their
> naivety - that is how fake demos work. Whether by word, voice tone,
facial
> expression, body langauge, inference or whatever a deception is created in
> the mind of the customer - a sale then follows. That is basic consumer
> fraud.
>
>
> > versus a live split-scren video comparison where the
> > difference is clearly evident to even the most ignorant viewer.
>
>
> ** It's a fake demo - a very blatant one.
>
>
>
> > I imagine
> > the ACCC will set me straight as to the likelyhood of any positive
action
> > to
> > address this kind of scam (ie, little to none).
>
>
> ** The right body in NSW is Fair Trading - you can get your friend to
> file a complaint report. The complaint will be referred to the store -
who
> will simply deny.
>
> Better if your friend HAD bought the Monster Cable, then you demo to him
> that it makes no difference when tested correctly - then HE returns the
> junk for a full refund with YOU as his witness on a busy Saturday morning.
>
> Heaps of fun.
>
>
>
> ............ Phil
>
>

[robert casey]

Craig Hart wrote:

> Probably just a case of incompetent salesman failing to articulate what he
> was actually demonstrating.
>
> component is better than composite, and a component cable costs a few bux
> more. end of story.
>
>
True, but the component cable need not cost 20 times as much....

[Alan]

TOP POST and SHOUT !!! (sorry, but I do feel pretty strong about this)

CRAP!!!

Phil does not put up with D/Heads or stupid crap.
and he tells you so...!!!
But at the end of all, he does know his shit better than a lot of you know
it alls..!!

so don't poke the bear, unless you want a response, that might piss you off.
as he hold no punches....!!

Allan
<abc@123.com> wrote in message
news:mve141h20smb210eckup5roka30e8e5u24@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:36:59 +1100, "Phil Allison"
> <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >** Sales charlatans gain a person's trust first and then exploit their
> >naivety - that is how fake demos work. Whether by word, voice tone,
facial
> >expression, body langauge, inference or whatever a deception is created
in
> >the mind of the customer - a sale then follows. That is basic consumer
> >fraud.
>
>
> PHIL ALLISON LIKES TO POST HELP OCCAISIONALLY TO GAIN YOUR TRUST, BUT
> DON'T BE FOOLED, HE IS A PAINFULL TROLL, WHO HURLS ABUSE AT EVERYONE.
>
> >** It's a fake demo - a very blatant one.
>
>
> PHIL ALLISON IS A FAKE WHEN HE PRETENDS TO CARE ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS.
> A VERY BLATANT ONE.
>
> >** The right body in NSW is Fair Trading - you can get your friend to
> >file a complaint report. The complaint will be referred to the store -
who
> >will simply deny.
>
>
> PHIL KNOWS ALL ABOUT FAIR TRADING...JUST ASK HIM ABOUT QUAD SPEAKERS.
>
> >Better if your friend HAD bought the Monster Cable, then you demo to him
> >that it makes no difference when tested correctly - then HE returns
the
> >junk for a full refund with YOU as his witness on a busy Saturday
morning.
> >
> > Heaps of fun.
>
> A HINT OF WHAT PHIL IS REALLY LIKE. HE LIVES FOR ABUSIVE ARGUMENTS.
>
>
> >............ Phil Allison a vile troll.
> >
>

[Phil Allison]

"paul packer" ...



** The raving fuckwit above from Tosca Drive, Gorakan NSW collects child
porn by his own admission.


Nuff said ?




............. Phil

[TT]

"Alan" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4242a5ad$0$917$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> TOP POST and SHOUT !!! (sorry, but I do feel pretty
strong about this)
>
> CRAP!!!
>
> Phil does not put up with D/Heads or stupid crap.
> and he tells you so...!!!
> But at the end of all, he does know his shit better than
a lot of you know
> it alls..!!
>
Hey Alan *IF* wonder boy knows so much why did he buy some
dud Quad ESL63s last year???? Also just ask him what "crap"
he listens to - like his single DAC, worn out Sony CD
player, his Jaycar kit speakers and some relic guitar amp.
This idiot wouldn't know hi-fi from a toaster!


> so don't poke the bear, unless you want a response, that
might piss you off.
> as he hold no punches....!!

No you are wrong. He is the vilest scum bag on Usenet and
usually abuses people for no reason so just wait until he
has the dirts with you and see how you like the treatment!

Regards TT

[paul packer]

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:47:20 +1100, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

>
>"paul packer" ...
>
>
>
> ** The raving fuckwit above from Tosca Drive, Gorakan NSW collects child
>porn by his own admission.

ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZ

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3ah2lbF60pfieU1@individual.net...
>
> Some psycho gear box mechanic who HATES hi-fi spewed.
> >
> > "Alan"
> >>
> >> Phil does not put up with D/Heads or stupid crap.
> >> and he tells you so...!!!
> >> But at the end of all, he does know his shit better than
> > a lot of you know it alls..!!
> >>
> >
> > Hey Alan *IF* wonder boy knows so much why did he buy some
> > dud Quad ESL63s last year????
>
>
> ** False in every respect.

Liar Phil. You posted here and did the cry baby thing on how you reckon you
got duped. It went on and on and on.....

>
>
> > Also just ask him what "crap"
> > he listens to - like his single DAC, worn out Sony CD
> > player,
>
>
> ** The Sony CDP 101 is one of the best performing CD players ever made.
>
> Mine is still in perfect working order.

Yeah, I got rid of mine a little over a year after purchasing it and bought
a much better player.
And how many times have you repaired your CDP-101 Phil? If it was such a
good player howcome you'd be lucky to get $20 for it on Ebay? Somethink
like that clapped out AWIA 9500 tuner of yours? Passed in on Ebay a couple
of months ago with no bids at $19.95 ????

>
>
> > his Jaycar kit speakers
>
>
> ** Vifa two ways in fact with full electronic x-over system and sub
woofer.
>
> Previously I owned Quad ESLs for 26 years.
>
>
> >and some relic guitar amp.
>
>
> ** Absolutely false - TT is a congenital, bloody LIAR.

So what amplifier do you use in your hi-fi system Phil? Here's your big
chance to impress us all.

>
>
> > This idiot wouldn't know hi-fi from a toaster!
>
>
> ** TT is a demented gear box mechanic, Nazi and an utter fuckwit from
> Bunbury.

Phil just has sour grapes as usual. Anyone who has been even slightly
successful (Phil's a good example of a complete failure) comes in for
special treatment by Phuckwit Phil. Phil just can't stand the idea that
someone might just be able to afford something better than the Steptoe verge
collected junk that he has.

>
>
> >> so don't poke the bear, unless you want a response, that
> > might piss you off. as he hold no punches....!!
> >
> > No you are wrong.
>
>
> ** He is pretty much right - actually.
>
>
> > He is the vilest scum bag on Usenet

Phil, YOU are most definitely the most vilest creature ever to infest
UseNet. You are like a virus that gets into every nook and cranny,
infecting everything as you spread like the plague.

>
>
> ** Nope - Terrence Tencer is the one vying for that dishonour.
>
>
> > usually abuses people for no reason
>
>
> ** Bunbury's leading expert at net stalking and libelling is the psycho
> TerrenceTencer.
>
> See: http://swat.com.au/pages/aboutus.php4
>
>
> TT is the crazy looking one with the wrench in his hand.......

TT is no psycho - YOU are Phil. Your Net stalking activities are well know
to all the regulars on UseNet. You have threatened me on numerous
occassions, even so much as to try to get someone else to do your dirty work
you scumbag coward.

You are the sort of low-life that makes me want to spew.


>
>
>
>
>
>
> .............. Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Phil Allison]

Some totally loony arse bandit from Perth puked:
>
> "Phil Allison"
>>
>> Some psycho gear box mechanic who HATES hi-fi spewed.
>> >
>> > "Alan"
>> >>
>> >> Phil does not put up with D/Heads or stupid crap.
>> >> and he tells you so...!!!
>> >> But at the end of all, he does know his shit better than
>> > a lot of you know it alls..!!
>> >>
>> >
>> > Hey Alan *IF* wonder boy knows so much why did he buy some
>> > dud Quad ESL63s last year????
>>
>>
>> ** False in every respect.
>
> Liar Phil.


** The ESL63s were not "dud" and it was not last year.

Plus, I bought them from a major Quad dealership with a full warranty.



>> ** The Sony CDP 101 is one of the best performing CD players ever made.
>>
>> Mine is still in perfect working order.
>
> Yeah, I got rid of mine a little over a year after purchasing it and
> bought
> a much better player.


** No you did not.



>> >and some relic guitar amp.
>>
>> ** Absolutely false - TT is a congenital, bloody LIAR.
>
> So what amplifier do you use in your hi-fi system Phil? Here's your big
> chance to impress us all.


** Impressing some fuckwit audiophool is the very last thing need to do.



> Phil, YOU are most definitely the most vilest creature ever to infest
> UseNet.


** So says a stupid, desperate, psychotic, net stalking, libel spewing, ex
Telstra puke + a bloody arse bandit !!!

ROTFLMAO !!!


>> ** Bunbury's leading expert at net stalking and libelling is the psycho
>> TerrenceTencer.
>>
>> See: http://swat.com.au/pages/aboutus.php4
>>
>>
>> TT is the crazy looking one with the wrench in his hand.......
>
> TT is no psycho - YOU are Phil.


** TT is insane - and you are even worse.


> You have threatened me on numerous
> occassions,


** Absolutely false.

The reverse is the true case.


> even so much as to try to get someone else to do your dirty work
> you scumbag coward.


** Sheer, rabid dog paranoia ........

This fat, ugly arse bandit is a complete freak.





.............. Phil

[Phil Allison]

Some totally loony arse bandit from Perth puked:

Phil Allison
>>
>>
>> ** The ESL63s were not "dud" and it was not last year.
>
> The Quads ESL63s you bought from
> Campsie Hi-Fi had nothing wrong with them?


** They were not "dud".


> So howcome you raved all over
> aus.hi-fi like a bloody lunatic that they were faulty ....


** Complete lie.


>> Plus, I bought them from a major Quad dealership with a full warranty.
>
> So if (as you originally claimed) one unit was low on output,


** So not a pair of "dud" ESLs .


> why did you
> not avail yourself of the full warranty and have the "defective" speaker
> repaired under that warranty?


** Go read the story again - you brain fucked arse bandit.


>> >> ** The Sony CDP 101 is one of the best performing CD players ever
> made.
>> >>
>> >> Mine is still in perfect working order.
>> >
>> > Yeah, I got rid of mine a little over a year after purchasing it and
>> > bought a much better player.
>>
>>
>> ** No you did not.
>
> Actually Phil you are correct. I got rid of it within less than 12 months
> of owning it. Traded it for a much better player.


** No you did not - you are a pathetic liar.



>> > So what amplifier do you use in your hi-fi system Phil? Here's your
>> > big
>> > chance to impress us all.
>>
>>
>> ** Impressing some fuckwit audiophool is the very last thing need to do.
>
> So until Phil says otherwise one can assume TT's original comment of
> "relic
> guitar amp" stands as correct.


** That is just what a some pathetic, brain dead arse bandit would be
expected to do.



>> > Phil, YOU are most definitely the most vilest creature ever to infest
>> > UseNet.
>>
>> ** So says a stupid, desperate, psychotic, net stalking, libel spewing,
> ex Telstra puke + a bloody arse bandit !!!
>>
>> ROTFLMAO !!!
>
> Are you man enough to repeat those comments to my face coward?


** You are not a man at all - just some pathetic, mentally defective,
desperate old gay boy.



>> > You have threatened me on numerous
>> > occassions,
>>
>>
>> ** Absolutely false.
>
> Read and weep you pathetic liar -

( snip paranoid irrelevances)


> and there are plenty more examples.......


** With no threats in them either.



>> ** Sheer, rabid dog paranoia ........
>>
>> This fat, ugly arse bandit is a complete freak.
>
> As I said before Phil - want to repeate those comments to my face?


** Gee - that sounds like a threat of intent to commit violence.

> Or are
> you just scared shitless? Coward scumbag.


** Carrying on a campaign of malicious lies and libel from 2000 miles away
in Perth is just soooooo brave.

Never mind the fact it is a criminal offence to do so.

Never mind that you have no valid grounds for any of this.





........... Phil

[Phil Allison]

"Alan Rutlidge


Unlike you Phil, I have nothing to hide and I am quite prepared to tell you
to your face just what I think of you.


** What the Rutmaniac "thinks" on any subject only proves how fucked in
the head he is.

No wonder Telstra pissed him off.





.............. Phil

[paul packer]

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:58:54 +0800, "Alan Rutlidge"
<rutlidge@<NO_SPAM>iinet.net.au> wrote:


>Stop trying to avoid the subject. It is clear that you are a bigger coward
>than most would give you credit for.

Oh I don't know, Alan. I always gave him quite a lot of credit for
that. :-)

[Steven]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3abuqmF6b9dk3U1@individual.net...
>
> <abc@123.com> = Criminal, libelling troll
>
>
>
> ** The above anonymous, demented usenet menace needs to be dealt with -
big
> time.
>
>
>
>
>
> ........... Phil
>

Is his name Phil? I had such hope for you too!

[Steven]

He's better at it than I could do it???

"Alan" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4242a5ad$0$917$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> TOP POST and SHOUT !!! (sorry, but I do feel pretty strong about this)
>
> CRAP!!!
>
> Phil does not put up with D/Heads or stupid crap.
> and he tells you so...!!!
> But at the end of all, he does know his shit better than a lot of you
know
> it alls..!!
>
> so don't poke the bear, unless you want a response, that might piss you
off.
> as he hold no punches....!!
>
> Allan
> <abc@123.com> wrote in message
> news:mve141h20smb210eckup5roka30e8e5u24@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:36:59 +1100, "Phil Allison"
> > <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > >** Sales charlatans gain a person's trust first and then exploit their
> > >naivety - that is how fake demos work. Whether by word, voice tone,
> facial
> > >expression, body langauge, inference or whatever a deception is created
> in
> > >the mind of the customer - a sale then follows. That is basic
consumer
> > >fraud.
> >
> >
> > PHIL ALLISON LIKES TO POST HELP OCCAISIONALLY TO GAIN YOUR TRUST, BUT
> > DON'T BE FOOLED, HE IS A PAINFULL TROLL, WHO HURLS ABUSE AT EVERYONE.
> >
> > >** It's a fake demo - a very blatant one.
> >
> >
> > PHIL ALLISON IS A FAKE WHEN HE PRETENDS TO CARE ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS.
> > A VERY BLATANT ONE.
> >
> > >** The right body in NSW is Fair Trading - you can get your friend
to
> > >file a complaint report. The complaint will be referred to the store -
> who
> > >will simply deny.
> >
> >
> > PHIL KNOWS ALL ABOUT FAIR TRADING...JUST ASK HIM ABOUT QUAD SPEAKERS.
> >
> > >Better if your friend HAD bought the Monster Cable, then you demo to
him
> > >that it makes no difference when tested correctly - then HE returns
> the
> > >junk for a full refund with YOU as his witness on a busy Saturday
> morning.
> > >
> > > Heaps of fun.
> >
> > A HINT OF WHAT PHIL IS REALLY LIKE. HE LIVES FOR ABUSIVE ARGUMENTS.
> >
> >
> > >............ Phil Allison a vile troll.
> > >
> >
>
>

[paul packer]

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:41:10 GMT, "Steven" <Plume@nom.de> wrote:

>He's better at it than I could do it???

Eh? What are you trying to say?

[roughplanet]

"paul packer" <packer@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:424939cd.42556630@news.iprimus.com.au...

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:41:10 GMT, "Steven" <Plume@nom.de> wrote:

>>He's better at it than I could do it???

> Eh? What are you trying to say?

I'll hazard a guess & say he hasn't a clue :-). That's why he's shouting; it
makes the punters take notice of what they would normally just ignore.

ruff

[Steven]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3abuqmF6b9dk3U1@individual.net...
>
> <abc@123.com> = Criminal, libelling troll
>
>
>
> ** The above anonymous, demented usenet menace needs to be dealt with -
big
> time.
>
>
>
>
>
> ........... Phil
>

Is his name Phil? I had such hope for you too!

[Steven]

He's better at it than I could do it???

"Alan" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4242a5ad$0$917$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> TOP POST and SHOUT !!! (sorry, but I do feel pretty strong about this)
>
> CRAP!!!
>
> Phil does not put up with D/Heads or stupid crap.
> and he tells you so...!!!
> But at the end of all, he does know his shit better than a lot of you
know
> it alls..!!
>
> so don't poke the bear, unless you want a response, that might piss you
off.
> as he hold no punches....!!
>
> Allan
> <abc@123.com> wrote in message
> news:mve141h20smb210eckup5roka30e8e5u24@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:36:59 +1100, "Phil Allison"
> > <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > >** Sales charlatans gain a person's trust first and then exploit their
> > >naivety - that is how fake demos work. Whether by word, voice tone,
> facial
> > >expression, body langauge, inference or whatever a deception is created
> in
> > >the mind of the customer - a sale then follows. That is basic
consumer
> > >fraud.
> >
> >
> > PHIL ALLISON LIKES TO POST HELP OCCAISIONALLY TO GAIN YOUR TRUST, BUT
> > DON'T BE FOOLED, HE IS A PAINFULL TROLL, WHO HURLS ABUSE AT EVERYONE.
> >
> > >** It's a fake demo - a very blatant one.
> >
> >
> > PHIL ALLISON IS A FAKE WHEN HE PRETENDS TO CARE ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS.
> > A VERY BLATANT ONE.
> >
> > >** The right body in NSW is Fair Trading - you can get your friend
to
> > >file a complaint report. The complaint will be referred to the store -
> who
> > >will simply deny.
> >
> >
> > PHIL KNOWS ALL ABOUT FAIR TRADING...JUST ASK HIM ABOUT QUAD SPEAKERS.
> >
> > >Better if your friend HAD bought the Monster Cable, then you demo to
him
> > >that it makes no difference when tested correctly - then HE returns
> the
> > >junk for a full refund with YOU as his witness on a busy Saturday
> morning.
> > >
> > > Heaps of fun.
> >
> > A HINT OF WHAT PHIL IS REALLY LIKE. HE LIVES FOR ABUSIVE ARGUMENTS.
> >
> >
> > >............ Phil Allison a vile troll.
> > >
> >
>
>

[paul packer]

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:41:10 GMT, "Steven" <Plume@nom.de> wrote:

>He's better at it than I could do it???

Eh? What are you trying to say?

[roughplanet]

"paul packer" <packer@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:424939cd.42556630@news.iprimus.com.au...

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:41:10 GMT, "Steven" <Plume@nom.de> wrote:

>>He's better at it than I could do it???

> Eh? What are you trying to say?

I'll hazard a guess & say he hasn't a clue :-). That's why he's shouting; it
makes the punters take notice of what they would normally just ignore.

ruff